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This is stunning, how in gods name did this guy ever get re-elected as the years went by. I tell you the folks who lived in this county in the past were either very ignorant, or were just good ole boys who thought it was cool what this scumbag was doing. But really my question and it is a bit scary is, did and does Rodney have that much power, and could he but that level of fear into people so none of this came out to any degree that he would come under fire?

I need to hear some former or current sheriffs get on here and give us the inside deal on this. Along with that I would really like to know what and how much does Hopkins know about all of this. I mean if he has knowledge of this, and has never brought it up or gone after Mitchell, that in and of its self is a crime.

Anybody with ideas on this please post asap.
 

Misinformation is being leaked by LCSO Detective Tom Andrews about Frank Rivero to his (Andrews’) girlfriend, Haley Ostern. Tom Andrews is attempting to politically sabotage Rivero. Haley recently contacted Rivero through his facebook page and accused him of losing a good case. She said the DA had to drop the case because of Rivero. Haley’s allegation was untrue, but that’s not as important as what follows here:

Haley neglected to say where she got the information. Rivero, who keeps close tabs on the Good Old Boys, asked her if she was Detective Andrews “Friend.” After additional prodding by Rivero, Haley fessed up. Haley wrote to Rivero, “Yes, I am a friend of Tom's. But he generally does not talk about work outside of the work place. Let’s see, “He GENERALLY does not talk about work outside of the work place?” Tom, isn’t it inappropriate to release misinformation about a criminal investigations? Last time you were kicked out of detectives for failing to respond to you’re on call duties. Now you’re releasing information to the girlfriend in order to smear a colleague.

Tommy, what happened to the smack you shared with your recruits about what a shit hole the LCSO was, the racial profiling, and Mitchell’s unfair treatment of you. Oh, that was before you were re-promoted / re-GOBed.
 

Like sand through the hour glass, so these are the days of our LE corruption.
 

I have been a supervisor for LCSO for several years. Tommy does a good job and I've never seen him bad mouth the department as a whole. He did make bad comments about Mitchell and management, but who hasn't said something bad about their boss from time to time. He is dedicated to his kids and I've never seen him involved in any racial slurs.

I bring this up because on the video your see him defend himself, Martin and Thomas, but TWICE he never mentioned Chawcowski. A professional as Andrews is, shows that this was not a mistake, but done on purpose. One simple question, WHY?
 

Someone got to Tommy, you can speculate yourself as to who and why, but let me tell you something it ain't pretty, and I work on the inside.
 

10:14 AM In another odd bit of logic, Rob stated at his 1st campaign shindig `'I want to examine our priorities and raise the pay of these [sheriffs] deputies even if we must give up something else". Does that help answer your question?s?
 

Russ Perdock had his Skelly hearing in front of Rodney yesterday. After the hearing, Rodney shed a few crocodile tears with his henchmen as they feasted on Russ' carc-ass and put the finishing touches on his pink slip. Rodney has never looked happier as he walked around with the blood of his best friend dripping from his lips. The irony here is that Russ should have been fired (and prosecuted) three years ago, but now it's to Rodney's advantage. Too little too late for Rodney’s despotic regime.
 

Will Garzoli be next?
 

Would it be safe to say that the flight lessons audit is finished?
 

11:57 Am Let's see, Does Mitchell think that firing Perdock now will somehow justify the fact that he protected Perdock three years ago? Or does Mitchell want the voters to think he has seen the errors of and his ways? Too little too late if you ask me.
 

Everybody should recognize that Mitchell has gone into campaign mode early, it is a testament to the pressure that this site and other situations have been placing on him. The problem for Mitchell is that he is not dealing with the same group of people or citizens as he has had in the pas. None of this small time political moves are going to garner new votes for him. So this is a good sign.

Also we have to keep a close eye on Hopkins, he is as we have already stated lying real low, since Mitchell threw him under the bus in his answering of the Dinius questions, he is happy to see the majority of the effort being pushed towards Rodney. We are not going to let Hopkins try to slide in under the radar, he can only hold his breath so long and he has to come up for air and when he does the bullets will still be flying.
 

I’m an LCSO employee and shamefully admit it. You on the other hand are an LCSO employee and deny it. You started by alluding that you “heard” this fairytale you told as if you are not an employee. By doing so, you immediately lost all credibility. You are one of Mitchell’s many department shills.

Now for the facts: Ringen was a 27-year veteran who defended the troops, and yes, unfortunately, even lowlife invertebrates like you. He stood up to Mitchell’s inequities refusing to drag himself behind Mitchell like you do. For 16-years, Ringen selflessly put himself between Mitchell’s fuckery and us. Again, when I say “us,” I unfortunately include the backstabbing, rumor milling, racial profiling, dirty searching, false arresting, constitution-shredding non-cop-cops like you.

With regard to Rivero, if you live to be 100, you could not approach becoming half the cop or one hundredth the man he is. Rivero has forgotten more about police work in the last 10 minuets then you will ever know. It’s no wonder you don’t want him elected, you will not survive a Rivero administration. Your fear is transparent and wise. Keep writing, the more you write the closer he will zero in on who you are.
 

Regarding Rodney’s affair with Tracy Taylor. Here it is. She separated from her husband who I believe she had been cheating on. I could be wrong about this part. This part is correct. Tracy had a new steady boyfriend at the time of the affair. Rodney met Tracy at the gym in Lakeport. He then started doing her while at work and while off work. Here’s the good part he he.

The boyfriend found out! He was so fucking pissed off; he went to the sheriff’s department on Martin Street during business hours to say HI! To Rodney. (Remember this Rod!?) But poor miss understood Rodney, refused to see him. Cowardly little manjina. The boyfriend made such a scene, Rodney came out of his little cave of an office and invited the boyfriend in for a forgiveness chat. ALL the office employees saw, heard, and knew what was going on.
 

I am a deputy and will not give my name. Look what happened to Beland. Andrews started out as a deputy, then a part time detective, tossed out, went back to detectives, tossed out, became an FTO and now he's back to being a detective. Tommy, you're better off not getting involved with this race. I work North and I'm going to keep an eye on you. Rivero might have some problems, but who doesn't. I agree with the above comment, pick the one you like the least and you will pick Rivero. At least Rivero is standing up against a current sheriff who only looks out for himself. Is there some reason why Mitchell can't put a minority in the chain of command? Lets see, Morshed and Rivero tested for sergeant and neither were picked, although both had been sergeant's before and currently have a clean personnel file. As for the comment about Supervisor Rob Brown, I have known him most of my life and I am familure with his property. I believe Brown had no idea about the marijuana on his property and I know how he feels about dope. He is a very big supporter of law enforcement and I don't think he's a fan of Mitchell right now. If you ever worked clearing a marijuana grow (like I have), it is not unusual to find a grow in thick vegitation and the only way in and out is by helicopter. Isn't that right Garzoli?
 

Tracy L. Taylor of 5056 Larkspur in Kelseyville? No way?
 

Wow can someone anyone explain to me how in the name of god, this guy has been in office all this time? It is unbelievable, Thank goodness for this website, and be thankful the elections, how could anyone, I mean anyone vote for this guy, and or admit they are is beyond me. Really if you were going to vote for this guy you must be willing to hang a sign around your neck I am an idiot I voted for Rodney. Keep up the good work whoever is running this. I will keep watching and posting.
 

As to the Taylor and Mitchell post, will have to see if anyone can put a post up that indicates the incident did not happen. It was pretty much to the point.
 

To post 3:08. I am ashamed for you that you said you are ashamed to admit you are a member of the department. You have every right to be ashamed of your administration if you so choose but the department did nothing to you. You should stand up for it and take what ever political action you feel appropriate. Words on a blog such as “f______” do not become a professional law enforcement officer as you profess to be. I too served the department trying to make it a great place to work and serve.
 

First of all post 4:47 lets not worry about being the word usage judge, I have Rodney and every single other person I have ever worked with in LE using profane language, so lets not skirt the issue and focus on word usage. If you did serve the department trying to make it a great place to work and serve, you sure did not do a very good job, so you might not want to claim that one as we can see by the current state of affairs. Now what you stand up for is the good people getting hurt by those leaders and others destroying the LE and the DA offices. My political effort to end this mess, is to post and let the county know how bad it is in its current forum, you could help to by posting the truth and what you know, to not do so is a terrible injustice on your part.
 

Whoa that put you in your place didn't it. Now can you step up to the plate and give us the inside information and what is wrong and what needs to happen to fix it. Either that or you just got schooled.
 

that is how this blog rolls they want blood, ruin careers make accusation about hubby cheating on wives you get it the whole nice yards,causing any citizen who read the board to start mistrusting LE.

I in the beginning I thought let me see what they have that will change My mind, after being on this site reading for the last couple of weeks I would totally be embarassed and ashamed to be called a follower or a vote for Rivero,it makes me sick to think these guys are better...no way no how
 

You know I guess you and I come from a different time. I too have used inappropriate language but not on a blog. Yes I did what I could to make it a great place to work and be. Yes I made mistakes but we did what we could. No I do not feel I got “schooled”. I am trying to make a difference but not quite sure how that will be or what forum.
 

5:07 PM You might want to start carrying a barf bag with you, The election is a ways off and there is lots more to come.
 

3:17 P.M., You're an idiot. Andrews already answered his part in your little speech, a long time ago (9/21/09 @ 7:14 p.m.). Read: If it were not for the people that I respect and that respect me, I would not stoop so low as to respond to the B.S. being posted on this "thing". I am a Lake County Deputy Sheriff and I will identify myself. Tommy Andrews here. After being assigned to patrol for 1 year and 10 months, I promoted to Full Time (since there is no such thing as part time) Detective. After about 5 years, I was reassigned to patrol, tossed out if you will, but then tested and earned the promotion again. After about 4 years I was reassigned to patrol, because I had been in there a while, read the reassignment letter. I tested again and was promoted to detective and here I am. I also recently tested for sergeant, along side Morshed and Rivero, and based on whatever criteria the panel used, came out in the top 4. To whom ever the "coward" is (feel free to actually identify yourself) that is keeping an eye on me, I do my job well and am easy to find. If Deputy Rivero believes I am trying to sabotage his campaign, he can call me and we can talk about it. I mean no disrespect to any readers, you'll hear no more on this "thing" from me.
# posted by T. Andrews : September 21, 2009 7:14 PM

Why bring it up again? Didn't sound like he was too worried about you.
 

You know what is so interesting about the corruption supporters they never post anything that indicates what is being said is not true. The Rodney Tracy post is the perfect example. You people are handed a golden plate to say and disassemble an entire post, and all you ever come up with is , oh these blog people are really bad and terrible people. And amazing enough you never never say Mitchell needs to be out, it doesn't matter if it is Dinius the blood the helicopter, none of it nothing, to you ignorant GOB's the whole department is great nothing is wrong, all is well, Mitchell and Hopkins should stay they are great guys. Do you realize how foolish and silly you look and how you hurt your credibility in this constant denial mode, I mean come on get real, at least make a post that says something needs to be fixed anything. Just one post come you can do it.
 

speaking of Middletown, seems Rivero is seen hiding out at Middletown Sub Station did the RUN A MUCK remark backfire
 

Oh no man you got schooled no doubt about that, and you got punked, and you had no answers, answer this question, do you believe the sheriffs office has been run poorly by the leadership call Mitchell, and that he must go. If you can not answer that honestly, then don't bother posting, because you sir got punked hard, and that you can't deny. Nice post to who ever posted it, way to put it down and step up to the plate. Man we wish more had the guts to do it. In being ashamed you are being honest and have integrity which those that simply deny everything, and live in la la land do not have.
 

It is amazing isn't it, these guys cannot admit they have big issues, it is a odd and strange brainwashing that must take place in the LE, guys you are hurting the good people that work their and yourselves, step up to the plate as the last poster said, join with the cause understand how honest you can be, and therefore gain such integrity. You can do it, forget about Rivero or anyone else, simple look at the terrible leadership of your departments and admit it!!!
 

Than you don't know a thing about management. Indicate to me what Captain has been moved more times than Bauman. Mitchell even placed him in charge of Patrol, but that only lasted a few months.
 

RIVERO
 

Exactly post 5:53 I have been in management for 15 years we all know what the MO of Bauman is, no one is throwing around any dirt on him, except to say he is a lackey, the yes man, the guy who is so dedicated to Mitchell that Mitchell will keep him around. We have all seen this a thousand times in management, this ain't the first.
 

post 3:08 and 3:12 are re-posts...same old stuff, different day
 

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I have written many times on this blog in an attempt to help this blog take on issues that are important to the future of the dept. Many times my posts have been met with thanks and with requests to go to the other secure blog site to help in the cause. I have not done so as I first want to satisfy myself that this blog is serious about positive change and will put out a respectable product with facts pointing to obvious conclusions. On other posts I have taken heat and been told that I am a coward, a fool etc. I feel that changes need to be made but they need to be made constructively to improve the dept. but not at the needless expense of cheap gossip that tears lives apart, spreads rumors and destroys careers.
 

You idiot! Rivero works the Middletown area and the substation is where he supposed to go. It has a computer, telephone and a clean area to conduct interviews and other stuff. Where do you want him to be, Safeway in Calistoga? What an idiot your are.
 

The thing of Mitchell hooking up with a middletown woman. Does anyone know the boyfriends name?
 

Post 6:13 we do appreciate your posts, and we say that honestly, we recognize your writing, we did invite you to discuss with us the issues on the secure e-mail, and we do appreciate your approach and desire to help. You are one of a few that has done so. You and all others must remember we cannot control all of the posters on the site, it is difficult at best to do so, we have received complaints from all sides on the running of the site, post deletion etc etc, we knew this would be the case going in to this, as we are dealing with not only difficult issues and a wide wide range of people, as you may understand we the group that runs this site do not disagree or agree with all posts from both sides of the fence, but again it is always going to be difficult to make it a perfect site, we spend a great deal of our own time trying to create a new system of communications and bring change to the county, we need people like yourself on board, and we wish that there were more with your insight and professional presentation. Please take us up on our offer to communicate with us if you feel it will help on the secure e-mail. If not continue to post on the public thread. We put a huge amount of time and effort in this cause, we do not get paid, we have a whole new type of site we are working on which will be an expansion of this site and offer other systems of communications, this is the first phase, there is more to come in the future.

Lovelace and the citizens for justice and reform in our county
 

Everyone should remember that not all is cheap gossip and lies, although many may not like what they read, there as well is a lot of truth in many posts even if those posts seem unkind or untoward. And listen we get hard posts from both sides of the fence, not just one, so forward we go, and as time goes on refinement of the system and our process's of communication. All must be able to speak their mind, sometimes a bit of blood must be spilled for change to happen, especially when it things over the years have become so entrenched.

Lovelace and the citizens for justice in our county
 

Post 6:28 I appreciate the reply. I want change and will do what is necessary for responsible change. But that change must come within appropriate guidelines. I write for many who feel the same. I will continue my posts.
 

So, just because Rivero had a prior lawsuit you think he should not complain about racism if he see's it? Look at the big picture, a federal jury ruled that Rivero was right. This wasn't a little poe dunk Lake County court house, it was a US District Court in one of the largest cities in the U.S..

Also, remember Rivero did not file a lawsuit against LCSO, he filed a complaint. Did Hall, Macedo or Chawcowski deny the comments made in the office? Nothing yet, but I'm sure Mitchell will make another one of his scripts for them to say on video for the Sheriff's website. Lets hope they act better than Martin, Thomas and Andrews.
 

this about it folks, what if every convo you had for the last year was made public would you pass the acid test of being politically correct
 

Then I would say one of the first things if in fact those in the LE community want change, and responsible change, the very first step is to all agree the main issue is the poor leadership by way of Mitchell. We do not need to agree yet on who one would vote for in replacement of Mitchell, but if in fact both sides agree that as a start that must be the first step, then we have room to move from there, the sky is the limit, However the far reaching positive changes we are looking for cannot be done with Mitchell or Hopkins in place. That as a first step and we could make great progress. That is to post 7:34 let us know what you think, and as well how many others would move in that direction.
 

Post 10:44, my convo 24/7 would never pass for politically correct. However I am not the guy who took an oath and gets to carry the gun. Public servant, that is what you are. So if you can't hold your tongue at work, you should be in a different line of work. Yuck, yuckin with the "boys" is "good ol'boyism" at it's finest! I cuss at home but I don't cuss at work because I work with children. It is called "professionalism"!
 

This is not about attacking Mitchell on a totally personnel basis, this is about a concept that has been true since the sailing of the great ships of the past, the captain is responsible, the leader leads the crew, the crew of the Sheriffs department is in internal chaos, and we all know it. Between everything from Swat and the street guys to any number of other internal issues. This is a failure of leadership, the Dinius Trial was a failure of leadership in both the sheriffs dept and the DA. The issues of Garzoli, of EEOC etc etc it cannot be denied that the ship is listing badly and the captian has to stand up and claim his responsibility. To move forward in any management situation that has gotten to this point the captain must leave. Then the ship can be righted the sails set and a new course charted.
 

Lande, you didn't uphold your oath the day you were dispatched to my home, rather you rushed to judgement and acted like a loose cannon ready to explode. Remember the camera issue Cobb and the woman insisting that you calm down and get a grip? That women is me Brian Lande and I think you are a complete failure when evaluating your chosen profession and the fact that you carry a gun. You, Brian Lande know who am and how to find me if you care to explain your behavior and why I shouldn't continue to expose YOUR complete un-professionalism. You may continue to slam your previous co-workers, not my issue, but I will continue to expose you for who you really are. What goes around comes around.
 

Hey do I get a prize for being post 2500? That's assuming you don't delete the previous post because it talks smack about Lande.
 

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To post 11:19
You are correct in that there needs to be a change in the Sheriff’s position. I think many, inside of LE and with in county government, would support that but the issue is not as easy as it appears. If the movement gains momentum, which it is, a very large faction is concerned with whom, or what philosophy will fill the position vacated if and when the current Sheriff is removed. The task of change would be much more palatable if people could envision a successor and feel that that person would make the necessary changes required. That is not the situation we presently have so a great many people are holding back or will unfortunately stay with the status quo. In other words you are correct that mounting opposition is possible but there must be positive light at the end of the tunnel.
 

Post 7:31 indeed you do get a prize, we have pre-filled out a voting card in your name, and the check marks are not besides Mitchells or Hopkins. Knowing that you are a person who has wisdom, and intellect we wanted to give you the greatest gift of all for this reward, the gift of change, and the return to justice and transparency in our county. You can reject or return the prize, however only for an in store trade of a dunce cap. Congratulations you are the 2500 poster on the page. Were glad it was you and not one of those, stupid dumb people running this big dumb web site.
 

6:06 AM is the LCSO daywatch supervisors just coming "on duty." Their "job" now is to monitor the blogs and libel anyone who challenges Mitchell. Unbelieveable waste of taxpayer money!
 

It's all about power, that's it! Who's in charge. Reminds me of the child game red light, green light. It is he/she that wants that command! Red light/green light.
A ship is safe in the harbor, but that is not what a ship is built for. Be honest!
 

Post 6:06 its a nice try, perhaps you forget Lande is doing just fine in the Santa Cruz sheriffs department. They welcomed him with open arms, you see there really is a whole other world out there, were the LE's and the community work together, many counties have accomplished this. Now lets ask you a question we suspect you will be able to handle this one fine. Take Lande out of the picture, just for a moment if you can. You do agree that Mitchell is a leader who must go correct? Warning to say no to this is not an option, as your credibility will be terribly harmed, again taking Lande out of your emotional crying, you do agree that change is needed and that change must be to a new leader, we don't want you to stress yourself by who the new leader is, simply that in its most basic forum Mitchell and Hopkins must go. You do agree with that correct?
 

For those that have the vision and intellect to see through their emotions and faulty alliance to Mitchell that post of Lande's is spot on, well written and hits the nail on the head. How many of these young solid people who could have been working in our LE has Mitchell chased away. So sad.
 

Post 7:44, I think the other aspect of this is an important detail in regards to the next sheriff/DA and what the operations in concert with the citizens will be. We should remember that not only are we removing Mitchell, but at the same time there will be the creation and acceptance by the new sheriff of a strong citizens oversight committee. As the elections go on we will be placing before those running for the positions a draft proposal and position paper of a working model of a system of communications, oversight, monthly meetings, enforcement focus criteria, citizens input guidelines and internal response processes, as well as, an accountability transparency requirement reporting process that is to be held along strict guidelines which are developed by the citizens of the county. Any person running for the office must sign on to this model of operations and agree to all the SOP's in the model. As you can see, the new leaders are going to be held accountable to the citizens, and no matter who is elected aside from Mitchell there will be very little wiggle room for variance. This must be done, and Mitchell and Hopkins must be removed and their ties to the various people and entities in the county severed. Many people will cry out oh my that can't be done, oh you can't manage the departments from the citizens on the street, we are not talking about managing the personnel aspects of the department internal reviews, etc etc etc. We are talking about the various areas of connection to the citizens and what role in concert together the citizens play. This is in place by the way in many communities throughout this state. There for this process minimizes the effect of any negative paradigms or approaches the new sheriff will have, and no matter who you elect they will have some. The key again is it cannot be Mitchell or Hopkins, it simply cannot be done with the old guard in place. So post 7:44 as you can see we are not approaching this from a simple "elect a new sheriff" perspective but in a wide ranged model which returns the sense of decency, justice, transparency, and fairness to the relationship between the LE and the citizens. Any input on this is appreciated. And we will be looking input in the final drafts of this position paper and its ultimate delivery to those running for Sheriff and DA.
 

Dear post 9:24 AM:

You are so wrong about my post and my identity. Since Lande is your "Golden Boy" ask him directly. Unless he has been scolded for his behavior while on duty by other women, he'll remember me. He wrote a report that day and I have a copy. To bad he wasn't taught camera range and common sense to go along with his fluffy degree.
 

Dear post 9:26 AM:

I've been invited on more than one occasion to email this blog's administrator after posting my concerns and input. You bet I want change but that does not negate Lande's actions at my home. I have numerous relatives in Santa Cruz and Monterey and one of them works with Brian Lande!! Just for fun after the holidays I'll scan the sheriff report I've referenced and email it to the blog adminisitrator.
 

Why is it that four deputies (two being sergeants) can challenge a former deputy on a county paid website with the sheriff's consent, but refuse to post Lande's response? Mitchell and all four deputies challenged Lande, but refused to post the response.

Mitchell, Chawcowski, Martin, Andrews and Thomas if your going to make a challenge than follow though with it. Also, get more acting classes you need it.
 

Post 9:55 you present a well written concept. I can’t say that I have ever seen anything like it and I agree that many will say that it can’t or shouldn’t be done. I would very much like to read such a plan. Can you direct me to a location on the internet that such a model could be obtained?
 

A post references "Harvey" and him being a dictator in the jail kitchen. Was it deleted? I didn't find the original post. I ask, because I know much about him.
 

To post 11:31 and your prior post. Let us try to put this in context, this site nor the majority of people are terribly concerned with your personnel beef with Lande, first of all Lande is not here, lande works in Santa Cruz, we are not nor should we be focused on Lande, nor are we concerned with his current exact status in Santa Cruz. So no need going down that road of follow-up. Lande and others not in this county are going to support someone at some point in time, it may be Rivero, it may be Markham if he throws his hat in the ring, and it could be others, none the less Lande is not going to be a significant player in the election, he and others will have an opinion, the current diatribe between Lande and Mitchell and Martin and Thomas etc etc. is the bantering back and forth of Mitchells games plan, again we are a bit to wise to the processes to not understand that this is a political ploy of Mitchells, it takes the focus off of his terrible and failed leadership and attempts to shift the attention to Lande or others, you have fallen directly into that ploy. The reason why is Mitchell can play you and manipulate you. You don't even know it is happening. Your the typical pawn that Mitchell would move around the political board, we on the other hand see through the ruse. Now the question you did not answer, as usual, is take all of the players out of the picture take your personnel beef with Lande out of the picture, see clearly the terrible and failed leadership of Mitchell and tell us you would vote for Mitchell again, you see you sidestepped the question, didn't you? You know that if you indicate you would vote for Mitchell you would not be looking like the sharpest stick in the wood pile. What we are trying to tell you to do is look at post 9:55 understand clearly what is being proposed and the depth and value of that model. Please try to do that leave the personnel out of it and you may find we are much closer to agreement then what you think.
 

Post 12:18 thanks for the question there are many ways to get different views of these different models, you should search the net and search under the idea of Citizen/police oversight groups, public and police cooperation and tactics. There are many ways to find these various models and ideas, what we have done is to develop a model using various aspects of these working relationships in the communities who have gone through this process, or are currently in the throes of this. You may remember the recent protests among the various colleges where the students took over buildings in protest of the tuition rate hikes. There was one city that was able to communicate with the students get them to leave the buildings had no arrests and no violence, that city was Santa Cruz. We watched those various processes unfold and observed how professionally and with excellent approach and communications the Santa Cruz authorities resolved that situation. This is an example of the the police in that city and county knowing the citizens were watching, and they utilized practices from the type of model we are discussing and the end turned out quite well. You must have a strong forward thinking leader in place with your LE in order to accomplish that. You of course do not have the intelligence in Mitchell or Hopkins to run that kind of model. So that is a Partial answer to your question, and be aware when we have completed drafting our model and position paper it will be destributed to the public and the LE as a whole. Thanks for the input and we value other input and ideas you may have.
 

There were several Harvey post, none have been removed the question was poised what is his current status, and in fact another individual indicated that Harvey has been involved in stealing money from citizens in the past. We have asked for details and clarity on this situation, but as of this date have received none. Hope that helps.
 

Post 12:44 PM

You missed the boat! Mitchell nor anyone else has control over my decisions and my opinions. I won't be voting for Michell or Rivero. The lessor of the two evils will win but I'm not casting a vote for either, I want to sleep at night knowing I'm not guilty for a disfunctional sherrif's department.
 

My interest in an oversight committee is that it gives the public a safe place to make a complaint about LE. The committee reviews the complaint for merrit and then decides if they should move forward with the complaint to management in the PD,SO or CHP. This gives an extra layer of protection to the complaining party. Reducing possible harrassment etc. It is one thing to make a complaint on your own but with a group with many eyes watching...well you know the old saying: there is safety in numbers. LE has their unions the public should have their oversight committee!
 

9:26 and 1:06 is nuts. She has waged war for years against her neighbor Tony and his wife because their daughter dumped her son. She has taken them to court and filed restraining order after restraining order. She has complained against just about every officer who has had the misfortune of responding to her numerous calls. She also filed a complaint and threatened to sue Sgt. Perry (one of the LCSO good guys) because he would not allow her to push him around. Do you remember any of that lady?
 

Couple of great posts, 1:28 you have caught the idea perfectly, and we agree with your overview 100%, this is the model that works, and it is a critical aspect of the total package of a citizens oversight committee. Thanks for the input and post other ideas you may have in this regard.

To post 1:36 yes now that you have outed her, we were aware of this situation and elected not to call her out on it, we were going to try and turn her mindset as you could tell by our posts. However based on her last post of liking no one and voting for no one, and what appears to be a total disregard of any reasonable solution, she becomes a non-factor, she will have to languish in her own obscurity until such time that enlightenment comes, which could be never. We are out to rid the sheriff and DA offices of the bad elements, of Mitchell and Hopkins and move forward in a new and transparent model, There are going to be certain officers who will either have to leave or will have to make a dramatic change, we suspect that upon the defeat of Mitchell and Hopkins some SO's will see the handwriting on the wall and leave of their own accord, either way the change will take place and we will move forward
 

Take into consideration on the past year. Bismark Dinius, Garzoli, racial profiling, racial name calling and four deputies challenged a prior deputy on the Sheriff's website, but will not post his response. All this done with Mitchell's knowledge.

Mitchell said he wants transparency, but I do not see it. An off duty peace office killed by another off duty peace office. Mitchell himself was on scene, but failed to act and get Napa or Sonoma to respond their Boat Patrol unit. Remember, several Napa deputies and a lieutenant lives inside Lake County and could have responded. Sonoma Sheriff's has a sergeant and a few deputies that also live in the Middletown area. Mitchell excuse was he did not want to "Micro manage". We have a captain lie to investigators and on the stand, a sergeant was fired for testifying and another sergeant lies about the quality of the breath units.

Mitchell's only experience before becoming Sheriff was a stacking vegetables at Safeway, a reserve Sacramento deputy and a short term as sergeant. Rivero was a SFPD police officer and detective. He then owned two of the most profitable funeral homes in the bay are. This is not a dream, it is fact, just ask them.
 

Well we know Mitchell does not want transparency, we are not even sure if he knows what the word means, I guess one thing that is most frightening, and I don't know how else to put it, is that Mitchell is simply not the sharpest guy. Really based on what I have seen in video's etc. this guy is a poor speaker has terrible word usage and sentence syntax, and couldn't hold his ground intelligently with anyone who works in the arena he works in. it appears from what we have seen that those Sheriffs and others at his level in law enforcement make this guy look like a 5 year old. We know he can play the political game a bit, but really his techniques are old school and only work if the general public has a high enough level of ignorance, we believe the public has changed enough in demographics now that he will not be able to garner if you will the stupid vote.
 

Sgt. Perry your name has come to our attention several times in the past few weeks, could you do us a favor if this message gets to you, and contact us via our secure e-mail account, we would appreciate it very much, this is not a trap or any untoward activity on our part, we would be thankful for the opportunity to talk with you on a few subjects. The e-mail account is sheriffmitchellwatch@gmail.com

Thank you
 

As a further update to the citizens committee concept, we are also going to be asking the BOS to fund this committee, since the BOS has indicated that they can do nothing to effect change in the Sheriffs and DA department and as they have told the citizens over and over we must do it, then we will do it and they must agree to fund the program and the administrative and functional needs of the committee. We believe this will be an accepted funding request and goes straight to the core of what the BOS has told us we need to do as citizens, and since the BOS handles the funding and budget of the Sheriffs department the must agree to fund the oversight committee. We don't believe it would be good PR for them to tell the citizens no on this request.
 

So in essence you are going to ask the supervisors to fund a committee that will have essentially no power to do anything but suggest actions to whatever LE agency is involved? Good luck with that, those cheap buggers won't fund stuff that actually works.
 

Thanks to Hopkins, In Lake County, the Grand Jury generally performs only civil functions. We have to take the power and control away from the District Attorneys Office and start using the Grand Jury as it was intended. The way it is now they can't investigate criminal accusations without Hopkins permission. That has to change.
 

Did I read a few posts back that Mitchell fired Perdock?
 

To post 4:30 we would suggest they will, we tell you that we have already gotten acknowledgment of the viability of this concept, and in fact they will fund it. It would be a very risky action for the BOS to deny that request, very risky indeed, we don't believe they will for a moment turn it down. We will have the majority of the citizens on board, as no one will deny the need and viability of the group, so confidence is high.

Post 4:47 we don't believe you read that Perdock was fired by Hopkins, he threw him under the bus big time in his answer to the 22 useless questions a month or so ago, but not that he was fired. He is currently and we suspect for ever on Admin leave. We know that ploy it has been used several times by Mitchell to clear people out of his way that could be a problem.

As to post 4:39 you are correct the power must be taken from Hopkins, no remember we are keeping a close eye on Hopkins, he is lying very low right now, hoping the gunfire will stop while he holds his breath underwater he will run out of air soon and will have to surface, then the big guns will open up he just doesn't know it.
 

Whether or not a regular grand jury sits in a county whose District Attorney simply chooses not to make use of its indictment function, or in a county with an
additional grand jury sitting, the regular grand jury possesses all of the criminal and civil investigatory powers of any regular grand jury.
The term “civil grand jury” is frequently used as a shorthand way to refer to a regular grand jury that sits in a county where the regular grand jury’s indictment powers are not called upon. It is a convenient, but unfortunate, shorthand term that it makes it easy to refer to such a regular grand jury. The CGJA tries to avoid the term, however, and encourages grand jurors to do the same. The reason is that the term conveys the impression to the public, the media, the government officials over whom you have oversight jurisdiction, and perhaps worst of all, to grand jurors themselves, that regular grand jurors do not have the strong powers that in fact they do have. It can lead to a diminishing awareness of and commitment to your powers to investigate public official misconduct in office, to issue accusations, to direct the District Attorney to recover monies and to investigate criminal matters even if you will not be asked to issue an
indictment. In short, it can lead to a mentality that, in counties where they are not asked to issue indictments, all that regular grand juries do, or even all they are required to do, is to issue Reports. That is wrong and such an attitude can severely weaken a grand jury and, indeed, the strength of all of California’s regular grand juries in the future. It is also possible that if enough grand jurors think of themselves as possessing only reporting powers for a long enough period of time, the legislature may agree and significantly change the historic role of the regular grand jury.
 

Post 4:47 This is what I was referring to....Russ Perdock had his Skelly hearing in front of Rodney yesterday. After the hearing, Rodney shed a few crocodile tears with his henchmen as they feasted on Russ' carc-ass and put the finishing touches on his pink slip. Rodney has never looked happier as he walked around with the blood of his best friend dripping from his lips. The irony here is that Russ should have been fired (and prosecuted) three years ago, but now it's to Rodney's advantage. Too little too late for Rodney’s despotic regime.
# posted by Anonymous Anonymous : December 22, 2009 11:57 AM
 

Yes time will tell if it really spells the end for Perdock, It will be very interesting to watch indeed.
 

Perdock is not out yet, it will depend on what the needs of Rodney are, if he deems it good for his cause he will, if not he may hold on to him, interesting to watch this very close.
 

If Mitchell continues to hang on to Perdock it doesn't say much for his learning ability.
 

Well looks like he may hang on to him then!! lol
 

Post 7:44, I think the other aspect of this is an important detail in regards to the next sheriff/DA and what the operations in concert with the citizens will be. We should remember that not only are we removing Mitchell, but at the same time there will be the creation and acceptance by the new sheriff of a strong citizens oversight committee. As the elections go on we will be placing before those running for the positions a draft proposal and position paper of a working model of a system of communications, oversight, monthly meetings, enforcement focus criteria, citizens input guidelines and internal response processes, as well as, an accountability transparency requirement reporting process that is to be held along strict guidelines which are developed by the citizens of the county. Any person running for the office must sign on to this model of operations and agree to all the SOP's in the model. As you can see, the new leaders are going to be held accountable to the citizens, and no matter who is elected aside from Mitchell there will be very little wiggle room for variance. This must be done, and Mitchell and Hopkins must be removed and their ties to the various people and entities in the county severed. Many people will cry out oh my that can't be done, oh you can't manage the departments from the citizens on the street, we are not talking about managing the personnel aspects of the department internal reviews, etc etc etc. We are talking about the various areas of connection to the citizens and what role in concert together the citizens play. This is in place by the way in many communities throughout this state. There for this process minimizes the effect of any negative paradigms or approaches the new sheriff will have, and no matter who you elect they will have some. The key again is it cannot be Mitchell or Hopkins, it simply cannot be done with the old guard in place. So post 7:44 as you can see we are not approaching this from a simple "elect a new sheriff" perspective but in a wide ranged model which returns the sense of decency, justice, transparency, and fairness to the relationship between the LE and the citizens. Any input on this is appreciated. And we will be looking input in the final drafts of this position paper and its ultimate delivery to those running for Sheriff and DA.
 

To Post 5:34 as suggested I just hit the net and found a great deal of information on the subject matter of citizen review boards. It sounds as if one group calling itself Oregon State Police-Independent Citizens Review Board is functioning much like you anticipate Lake County’s organization would. For one thing the group is making recommendation as to candidates that the public should vote for. Very interesting reading.
 

I'm told there is a cabin in the woods where rights are suspended, suspects are brutally tortured and the Sheriff Mitchell gets the confession he wants. Any thoughts?
 

Frace I've known you for several years. Reading this, I can tell you didn't write it. Let me ask you something? If you believe Rivero, Lande and Ringen were wrong about the racism, why don't you or Mitchell state what the findings are from the EEOC?

Andrews refused to support Ski on the video. Lets not forget Hall and Macedo made several "camel jockey" jokes to Morshed. You want to tell jokes like that than don't tell them. Forget the slapping the suspect, try just looking at the jokes made in house. I've said it before and I'll say it again, If a white cop calls a black cop a "Niger" in a joking way AND the black officer was not offended, is it still right to make such a comment? What if the white cop was a sergeant and the black cop is just off the FTO Program. I can bet he's not going to say a thing in fear of loosing his job. Maybe now you'll understand why Lande spoke AFTER leaving.
 

To post 7:44, we do not believe that is true, we believe that goes along the lines of conspiracy theories and they tend to get a bit far fetched. So we would not put to much effort into that idea. We do appreciate your input, and any information that you may wish to post is acceptable we will of course draw the lines of professionalism and acceptable reporting to not accept these types of ideas at face value. Should you come up with details that cause us to change our position feel free to do so.
 

To post 6:13, excellent thanks for doing the research on that, we had not been aware of this organization but have studied many others, as we were sitting around this evening in a planning session we saw your post come up and took a look at that model, it is indeed along the lines we have been working towards and we think you have captured the idea with this group quite well. The one thing you will note as we did when we have contacted these groups, is that the "old" sheriff or police chief or whatever is applicable in almost 70 percent of the cases had to be removed by either vote or forcing a removal. Generally these organizations come into being because of corruption entrenched in the organizations, sound like lake county of course it does, and this is the framework for change that we are working on.

If you for example go the current situation that is happening in Fresno, you will see how this type of group and its formation comes about, Fresno has been in the throes of a corrupt sheriff who has gotten so bad people have been literally getting shot and killed at the hands of the local police. We of course need to stop Mitchell and Hopkins and the corruption and do not have that level of problem, but be sure we never want it to get to that point. If you would like to be a part of the planning committee and this goes to all followers of the citizens group, then we are starting to collect names and e-mails to do the work on the position paper and when the time comes and the elections get closer, feel free to e-mail your desire to the e-mail account which is sheriffmitchellwatch@gmail.com

Thank you for your research and help
 

Frace, I would generally be unwilling to front you out, but you have turned into a total hypocrite and Rod's sock puppet, so here it goes. Remember when we responded to the Middletown Rancheria on 12/26/2008? Sure you do, it was around 2300 hours and we had a report of a person exhibiting a shotgun. "Travis" was hit in the head with the butt of the shotgun. Is it coming back to yet? No, well let us proceed. Travis looked white, but he was actually 1/4 Pomo.

You contacted Travis who wanted you to arrest the responsible. Instead of arresting the responsible, or even writing a report, you told Travis, “You’re a white guy, you don’t belong out here with these Indians,” and ordered him to leave. No isms huh, look in the mirror. By the way, go ahead and deny it, there were at least a dozen witnesses who heard you and my MAV was rolling.
 

Great post 7:45, we have been saying this over and over, we know why those in the LE would not speak out and you have detailed the reasons perfectly.
 

Ok 8:31, and what did you do about that?
 

FLASH REPORT FROM THE CITIZENS FOR JUSTICE IN LAKE COUNTY

One of our group members has just returned from a "meeting" that was arranged through our e-mail account, he has asked us to post the following information: The purpose of the meeting I just attended was an opportunity to communicate with a significant inside employee with the sheriff's department. There is much information that was given most of which cannot be posted at this time, however there was one significant overview this person gave and indicated to me that we could post it now.

I had asked about the postings that were happening from inside employees concerning Rivero. The reply was this, they said, the reason you see those is it comes from a small number of inside people who are entrenched in the Mitchell system and do not want to see it change. They have their little worlds set up within the Mitchell system and are quite comfortable with the niche they have carved out for themselves, as long as they remain loyal to Mitchell the status quo will remain the same, therefore without any other reason then to keep their cushy little gigs they will throw banter out at anyone who is going to run against Mitchell.

I believe this makes perfect sense, and is very typical of a corrupt organizations MO. I want to on this site give my deepest thanks to the individual I met with, and understand the risk you have taken. The citizens of this county thank you as well. We will use the information you gave us in a confidential and secure manner, and it will help us greatly as we move forward.
 

8:37 you just affirmed 7:45's point, report it get fired.
 

4:39, a Grand Jury may investigate crimes if it so desires (Penal Code sections 917 and 918). Hopkins has nothing to do with it, as the Grand Jury is actually a branch of the Superior Court. You are going to have to explain to me why you think it would be a good idea to have secret proceedings in which a defendant is not allowed to present evidence, not allowed to cross examine witnesses, and has no right to counsel, which is what happens when a GJ convenes to determine whether to issue an indictment.
 

8:49 http://www.co.lake.ca.us/Government/Boards/Grand_Jury/Grand_Jury_Functions.htm .....Criminal Investigation

The Grand Jury, in cooperation with the District Attorney, may investigate allegations of criminal activity. Criminal cases commonly presented to the Grand Jury by the District Attorney include, but are not limited to:

* Cases involving multiple defendants;
* Cases with special witnesses, such as children, informants, or undercover agents;
* Cases involving public officials;
* Cases in which adverse publicity could hurt the accused, and
* Cases in which the statute of limitations is about to expire.

If it is determined that there is probable cause that the accused has committed a crime and to hold the accused for trial, the Grand Jury issues an indictment. An indictment is only an accusation, not a finding of guilt. A minimum of 12 jurors must vote for an indictment in any criminal proceeding.

In Lake County, the Grand Jury generally performs only civil functions.
 

Post 8:31 thanks for the detailed and factual report of that incident, we know you take certain risks in doing so, and we are very very appreciative of your posting. Please except our thanks from all of us here tonight, it has been a busy day to say the least, and much has happened in this planning session we did not anticipate, your post was welcome information and helps to again create the level of transparency both the Good LE folks and the citizens require.

To all viewing the blog tonight, we are planning a few "christmas" presents to be posted for christmas eve, and as well sending out a heart felt thank you to all those helping in this cause for justice. So we will put a little something under the tree tomorrow. This is the Lovelace group speaking to you from somewhere in the shadows but bringing out the light of Justice.
 

O'contraire uniformed one, the information is flowing out of the SO like a dam break. Those who were once afraid to whisper are now talking. The toothless dog has been called out.
 

Ya can't make up this detail of information, hmmm I wonder what cushy spot you happen to have, Mitchell is just great with you right, yup just like the description, I suspect your post will get left up just to show the point. Thanks
 

You say Christmas Gifts...you forget some of the people You are bogging to are not Believer of Your type of celebration, so watch it you are offending the Jehovah Witnesses and Jewish and Kwanzaa citizens so think about it
 

Re: December 23, 2009 11:42 PM

I am Jewish and am NOT offended. Happy Holidays everyone!
 

Grand jury. People shouldn't sit on the grand jury if they are related to district attorney or deputy district attorney but in Lake it happens.
Somewhere it was posted that there is an investigation by the Judical Committee on two judges Mann and Martin. Judge Martin was also the judge who ruled against Dinius I believe on a change of venue. Why was Judge Martin allow to sit when his son (isn't that Brian Martin) who is pictured in the newspaper on the sheriffs department and married to a deputy DA the one and same son of Judge Martin? Think soooooooo
 

All religions you listed agree on this, justice and freedom for the citizens, therefore we believe it is the perfect christmas present for all spiritual beliefs...Merry everything, and Merry Christmas.
 

You are correct post 6:58, we are talking about judge Martin same one with the son and people in the DA's office and any number of other positions in the county. Nepotism is a dangerous condition, which if combined with a corruption filled police force and or DA you have the potential for erosion of the citizens due process. We have raised the question of nepotism several times, as we understand that in a small county these types of overlaps happen, however it takes complete transparency, and full disclosure and the trust of the citizens for it to work. We do not currently have that in our county. therefore beware and be cautious.
 

What evidence is there that Judge Martin has been improperly influenced by the fact that his son is a deputy sheriff or that his daughter-in-law is a victim-advocate at Victim-Witness? The last time I asked this question the response was that Judge Martin had some unspecified ruling overturned on appeal. So what? What do you mean by "complete transparency, and full disclosure?"
 

I have given the citizens review idea a great deal of thought. I understand the direction you desire to go and as you have said there is still a path to travel. Number one, the document that will be suitable to the electorate of Lake County must be devised. We do care if it is acceptable to the electorate because if for any reason the electorate is not happy with it they certainly will not hold the candidates or elected officials, for that matter, to it.
In reading various models I see that the plans come about because of a specific perceived problem such as officer involved shootings, jail in custody deaths or an inordinate number of personnel complaints. I think that your group would be wise to make contact with NACOLE which is the National Association for Civilian Oversight of Law Enforcement. Their home page says that they network shared expertise, they educate and most importantly they provide technical assistance to new and emerging agencies. To quote some wise person somewhere “no need to reinvent the wheel”.
Number two, it would be nice if the document got positive support from the county folks such as the County Admin office and BOS.
Number three, I realize that the concept of over sight is the major thrust of your campaign so you have an educational process ahead of you for the citizens. The reason that I can see the process is because I took it upon myself to investigate the concept on the internet. Unfortunately, not everyone will do that so it is incumbent on your organization to educate them. Be sure that your organization is not seen as some mud slinging fanatical group out to raise havoc with the “system”. Your organization should be about responsible oversight.
Number four, your organization should concern it self with the quality of candidates running for office. I don’t feel that it is enough to say that we have an oversight plan in place so any candidate will be successful. That is not necessarily the case. You need to know that the candidates can work with the plan but also provide leadership to the organization. It is one thing to endorse a candidate who will support the oversight plan but it is another to make sure that candidate can manage and effectively lead an organization.
Sorry for the length of the post, I just wanted to share some thoughts.
P.S. Merry Christmas
 

To post 7:50 and 7:55 Wake up man, the prior post explained it perfectly, we are not saying that there has been any known irregularities, if you can follow the post it indicates clearly that when you have entrenched nepotism along with corruption issues then you have the potential of abuse. Did you read that idea in the post you are referencing? Yes you did, now go back and read it again, and find us the spot where there was actually an indicated infraction. Oh you didn't find one. ya ok so since now no one has a clue where you are coming from, or that you can't seem to read and follow a simple post. So go back slow down re-read then read again and read this post again. We think, we hope anyway you will send your apology for your ignorance, and promise to brush up on your basic reading comprehension skills and join us again when your done.
 

Post 8:01 thanks for the post and the information, you really are hitting the "books" thanks for the help and research. It is a quite interesting concept and you are correct there must "buy in" from all parties involved. Now you should also note, that when sheriff Mitchell was in the past presented with this idea, he said we already have a citizens review board. Now of course the actual name of that group is, the Mitchell alliance for his reelection which of course is just how he wants to keep it. your 4 points are excellent and we agree all those dots must be connected. We did not mean to say because of an oversight committee that it would not matter how was in the office of sheriff, only that no matter who the individual is he or she will bring with them some baggage, however it is a absolute that this individual must buy in 100% to the program. The BOS, must as well and all other connected entities within the LE/DA and Gov. systems, great post don't worry about the length it is valuable information.
 

FROM THE CITIZENS FOR JUSTICE CHRISTMAS EVE PRESENT:

1st present under the tree

As those that have been following our efforts may remember we had received a post from an individual who was disabled and who had been sentenced by judge Martin to jail time and told by Sgt. Townsend under the guidance and leadership of sheriff Mitchell and with the agreement of Martin that no disabled person would receive work duty like all other individuals who receive jail time under 20 days via the sentencing of Judge Martin. This was perceived as a wrong that had to be corrected, not only did it need to be corrected but those responsible bore out and discipline effected upon them, as well as a change in that process. We had indicated that it appeared that this was an illegal act being committed and against the ADA guidelines therefore putting the county at risk. We were in fact correct. We wanted to give a Christmas gift to those less fortunate then ourselves for posting this Christmas eve and we have the opportunity to do so.

To all disabled people in our county, we have changed the system, you will no longer be subjected to this level of discrimination in our court system. We are happy to announce that it has been ordered that no longer will this practice take place and you the disabled will be treated with the same sentencing and opportunities for work duty as all other defendants in our county should you happen to come into a situation where you are before the courts.

You may also remember that a Public Defender was discussed and this public defender had a disabled client before the courts, at the time his client was not allowed work duty, this of course angered the PD and in an act of elegance and justice he went before the BOS and told them of these inequities and of the potential risk for the county and shamefulness of the practice. We as well then want to thank this individual whose name is Shawn Collins. You may recall that when we first announced this action, and our desire to correct this wrong we were met will a negative reaction by some local LE's, one even posting he didn't care about the disabled and if you commit a crime you will do the time in his jail. They also went so far as to call the PD a "twit" this is when the utterly ignorant officer Mercado outed him self without wanting to, and then tried to back away saying his postings were not him. To no avail of course. Each of these LE said nothing would nor should be done about this and we were just grandstanding and did not know what we were talking about. Knowing we were correct the issue was pressed forward certain communications were initiated and the change has happened.

We feel this is the best Christmas gift we could give to those in more difficult situations in life then our own. We are grateful for the opportunity to have accomplished this, and of course being totally underestimated by the corruption supporters we again call out to those who would oppose us, think again, were playing for keeps, the changes will happen, our ranks are growing daily, the word is spreading justice will be returned to our county and our citizens.

Merry Christmas, happy holidays to all
 

Can I be a LCSO supervisor? I can make racial words to the deputies too if they are not offended? How about wetback due, black of spades bud or how about Pollock cop. Seems that's okay under Mitchell's watch. Maybe we can even use the "N" word! That is okay as long as the receiver doesn't complain. Oh and if he/she does, we can fry him on the LCSO website like Lande and Rivero without posting their responses.
 

to 12/24/09 @ 12:33PM who said:
"That is okay as long as the receiver doesn't complain."

Someone within earshot could be offended by a racial/ethnic slur. It doesn't always have to be heard only by the person it is directed to. I'd be completely offended if I heard someone use an ethnic or racial slur in my presence.
 

In basic management practice and current PC requirements, along with sound ethical and civil behavior speaking in those terms regardless of the individuals reaction is wrong. Period. End of discussion.
 

I know, just ask Goodmanson who sacked LCSO for some good money.
 

Lande You cease to amaze Me You had three full time FTO's for weeks and one stand in for three days, gosh would love to know if you actually learned anything from them, seems the Ringen,Rivero bandwagon recruited you but had to dig for something anything to hang on the Sheriff Dept to make it so unbearable for you to stay,three days of a stand in while your regular FTO was off amazes Me. Man up and just let the 2 R's try to knock off the best Sheriff instead of a delayed complaints that just doesn't fly in the face of timing.
 

6:05 PM The best sheriff? Try Googleing Sheriff Rod Mitchell and see what the rest of the WORLD has to say. It's all out there and it will never go away. If you still have time Google Hopkins and Perdock. Probably the best time would be on your days off. Merry surfing and Happy results.
 

Thank you to the people running this site, I am disabled I live in Lake County although I have never been in a situation that would mean jail time, I see this as an accomplishment far beyond just the ending of a discrimination practice but that someone cared enough when this came to their attention to fix it. To who ever you are and who ever this group is from me and many of those I know thank you for caring. Merry Christmas.
 

Post 6:05, you can have what ever opinion you want to put forth, I am not sure if you know but Lande is happily employed in Santa Cruz, let's leave him aside just for a moment. Let's just concentrate on the pure facts. The leader of the sheriff ship has to go, the ship is sinking, he is responsible, given all the facts surrounding Mitchell we are sure you can agree with us and the majority of citizens in Lake County that Mitchell and Hopkins must go. We can banter about the replacement and have plenty of time to do so. But we know you are intelligent enough to at least agree to the basic fact that they must go. it would be a great Christmas present if you would do so, come on your in a giving and understanding mood right.
 

6:05 PM The best sheriff?
Mitchell screwed up the Bismark Dinius case, did not properly supervise Garzoli and screwed up the entire racial incident. Remember, all he has to say is the EEOC complaint results were unfounded. Well? Got an answer to that?
 

CITIZENS OF LAKE COUNTY UPDATE CHRISTMAS EVE:

We have received word that the audit/investigation of the Garzoli flying incident has been completed and is in the hands of the BOS, from inside sources we have been told the investigation was designed to more far reaching then most of the public may have thought. We need to make sure that full attention is given to the public being given full access to the reports, including who conducted the investigation and the complete and total volume of information, we suspect it will be a week or so before anything comes from the BOS, stand by it will be interesting to see the results.
 

They'll cover it uo just like they covered up the racial profiling report by Dave Brown. Where the heck is that, in the Oswell files safe?
 

Listen post 8:33 as funny as that post was, in keeping things fair we have to take it down, we do want to remind everybody all deleted posts are archived.
lol Merry Christmas
 

since this blog just loves anything from RELIABLE SOURCES....I GOT one....found out the Real valid reason Lande left, he got his training did a few month went on to another agency for DOH...ECACTLY...MORE DOUGH.......Santa Cruz pays much much more for deputies especially trained ones...instead of tossing mud on your training little man...you should be thanking them for getting you to where you are today...You are just like some who are only loyal until they get the training and then get the heck out of Lake County to not give back but go after more maney..
 

archived is just another word for removed so others do not get to view it.....
 

come on your in a giving and understanding mood right.
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yepper I am giving alreight can you see what finger I am giving you
 

9:39 All I see is the other three pointing back at you. Give one, get back three, I would say that's fair and I didn't even have to raise a finger to you. Merry Christmas to your family.
 

Please, learn how to spell. And I can tell you that Lande did not go for the money. Granted, after he was fed up with the corruption within the department, he started looking for another department and money was better in almost every other department he looked at. He actually liked the area (Lake
County), he just could not live with the racism. You on the other hand probably could not get hired any-where else because you don't have much of an education.
 

Give him a break, At least he knows some sign language.
 

Remember Lynn Thorton;

Lynn was a dedicated peace officer for the State of California for nearly 30 years. She believed in the justice system and everything it stood for. As an Investigator for the Department of Consumer Affairs she excelled and was driven to protect the people of California.

LCSO killed one of their own.
 

Sorry about the long city list below, However since we want to create some clarity in regards to citizens oversight models, the list below is a list of all the cities that have a working citizens oversight group in place. This is not the phony system in place now, where they are simply Mitchells re-election committee. Some of these organizations are quite extensive some down the middle none the less all are actively participating in the relationship with local law enforcement. Funding comes through a variety of government sources, local and others etc etc.

For more clarity and to get an idea of what this looks like from a working model, got to NACOLE.org or google the name nacole and it will bring up the web page. This will give everyone an idea of what need to accomplish in our county. We have been in communications with a number of advocates in this area, and one of our posters here found this page, and we thought it would be good to pass this on...

You can also go to the city list below on the webpage and click on any city and will bring you to each of those cities citizens group web pages.

They are called by different names, and all are different detailed models but gives ev everyone a good idea of the concept.







Police Oversight by Jurisdiction (United States)

* Akron, OH
* Albany, NY
* Albuquerque, NM
* Atlanta, GA
* Austin, TX
* Baltimore, MD
* Berkeley, CA
o Police Review Commission
o UC Berkeley Campus Police Review Board
* Boise, ID
* Boston, MA
* Brattleboro, VT
* Brookline, MA
* Buffalo, NY
* Cambridge, MA
* Chandler, AZ
* Charlotte-Mecklenburg, NC
* Chicago, IL
o Independent Police Review Authority
o Chicago Police Board
* Cincinnati, OH
* Claremont, CA
* Clarkstown, NY
* Cleveland, OH
* Columbia, MO
* Corvallis, OR
* Dallas, TX
* Davis, CA
* Dayton, OH
* Denver, CO
* Detroit, MI
* Durham, NC
* Eugene, OR
* Eugene, OR
o Police Commission
o Police Auditor
* Evanston, IL
* Fort Collins, CO
* Fort Myers, FL
* Ft. Lauderdale, FL



* Galveston, TX
* Gary, IN
* Grand Rapids, MI
* Greensboro, NC
* Hartford, CT
* Hawaii County, HI
* Honolulu, HI
* Houston, TX
* Indianapolis, IN
* Inglewood, CA
* Iowa City, IA
* Kalamazoo, MI
* Kansas City, MO
* Kauai, HI
* Key West, FL
* King County, WA
* Knoxville, TN
* Las Vegas, NV
* Lincoln, NE
* Littleton, NH
* Long Beach , CA
* Los Angeles, CA
* Los Angeles County, CA
o Office of Independent Review
o Special Counsel for Los Angeles County
* Loveland, CO
* Marana, AZ
* Memphis, TN
* Miami, FL
* Miami-Dade County, FL
* Milwaukee, WI
* Minneapolis, MN
* Missoula, MT
* Muskegon, MI
* Naples, FL
* National City, CA
* New Haven, CT
* New York, NY
* Novato, CA
* Oakland, CA
* Orange County, CA



* Orange County, FL
* Orlando, FL
* Palo Alto, CA
* Philadelphia, PA
* Pittsburgh, PA
* Portland, ME
* Portland, OR
* Prince George's County, MD
* Providence, RI
* Redlands, CA
* Richmond, CA
* Riverside, CA
* Rochester, NY
* Sacramento, CA
* Santa Cruz, CA
* St. Cloud, MN
* St. Louis, MO
* St. Paul, MN
* St. Petersburg, FL
* Salt Lake City, UT
* Salt Lake County, UT
* San Antonio, TX
* San Diego, CA
* San Diego County, CA
* San Francisco, CA
* San Jose, CA
* Sausalito, CA
* Seattle, WA
* Schenectady, NY
* Springfield, MA
* Springfield, MO
* Syracuse, NY
* Tempe, AZ
* Tucson, AZ
* Tulare, CA
* Urbana, IL
* Village of Ossining, NY
* Washington, DC
* West Valley City, UT
* Winston-Salem, NC
* Yonkers, NY
 

As an added note to get to each of these cities citizens website go to the resource tab on the NACOLE site. As you can see by this list lake county is way behind the curve in the evolution of law enforcement and citizens oversight it is critical to maintaining transparency, justice, and a progressive cooperative effort.
 

6:35PM... if not, then how'd you get here?
 

Mitchell was involved with the corrupt of grand theft and attempted murder. All in good time. He will lose everything he has and he deserves it. It will be a hard long road and some of the people who were aided by Mitchell will be on the losing end.
 

DUI case with the sitting Judge Arthur Mann. The PAS Test was given to a suspected operator of a vehicle in Lake County and cited. The DOJ from Santa Rosa was there to testify on the results of the test. There had been calibration errors on the tester in question prior to and after the DUI date in question. The defense attorney asked the DOJ if a solution was used to check the instrument and he answered yes. The defense attorney asked if the solution had an expiration date and the DOJ answered no. The defense attorney wanted to go forward with more questions but the judge wouldn't allow it. The key to all this is, when a standard solution is used to verify a result of a test, it must have an expiration date to verify that the testor is working correctly or incorrectly.
 

post 423 should have read Pas test given to suspected DUI driver in Lake County.
 

Part 1 or 2 part posting

There is much that has to be done concerning DUI's and the business of DUI's not only in this county but across this country, This is on the citizens group radar, and the CHP, the courts and the entire system has to looked as you read the article below which is being posted in two parts this will give you an idea of the travesty that is happening, the destruction of basic rights and the control of an out of control MADD organization. This citizens group is going to take on these issues with great resolve in the not to distant future. There is some light and the end of the tunnel on this as this article will point out.


DUI’s AND YOU

Are you a law-abiding citizen? You are? Do you think you are not at risk for a DUI? If you think you’re not, you better think again. The following is a multi part series on the current state of DUI law and processes, and why as citizens you are uninformed and at risk of being a victim to an out of control system bent on the abuse of your rights and the ability to defend yourself. In subsequent articles we will discuss among other things, MADD, local enforcement techniques, how to react if you are pulled over, what your rights are, and how to handle the enforcement officer pulling you over. As well we will “follow the money” in the DUI industry, discuss local judges, the DA, and the ongoing organizations trying to bring justice to an out of control system.

To start let me first say this is not a promotion for drinking and driving, we all agree that we should not be drunk while on the road. Part of the problem comes from what is drunk? Who and how that determination is made, and how we got in this condition in the first place. Let’s do a little history lesson. We’ll start with the organization called MADD “Mothers against drunk drivers.

The organization was first formed by Candy Lightner Lightner's 13-year-old daughter Cari, while walking down a quiet street, was struck from behind by a car. The impact threw Cari 125 feet, knocking off her shoes and mutilating her body so badly that it was not possible to save her organs for donation. Clarence William Busch, the driver of the car, did not stop. At the time of the crash, Busch had four previous drunk driving convictions, for which he had served, at most, 48 hours in jail. He had been arrested for another hit-and-run accident just two days before hitting Cari.

During the course of the next several years Lightner formed MADD and the campaign against drunk drivers was begun. For the most part it was an admirable effort and in the beginning served what Lightner believed its purpose was. The removal of habitual and major drunk drivers from the road. As events unfolded and MADD grew to a massive money generating organization. “Scope creep” occurred and the organization was infiltrated by prohibitionist individuals who using the “Mothers” moniker could, and did get, politicians, legislators, courts, judges, and the general public (namely mothers), to buy into any and all of their demands. I mean think about it, how could anyone(especially) politicians say no to sweet mothers with children who only want them to be safe and un-harmed while playing hide and seek on their neighborhood streets? I know that sounds a bit sarcastic, but it is the hand they dealt the legislators, and dared them “to say no”. Of course they didn’t as vote count was most important, not the rights of society for fair and just criminal treatment
 

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But ah here is the rub, Candy Lightner several years ago left the MADD organization it’s founder was gone and here’s why. [MADD has] become far more neo-prohibitionist than I had ever wanted or envisioned ...," Lightner is quoted as saying in an Aug. 6 story in the Washington Times. "I didn't start MADD to deal with alcohol. I started MADD to deal with the issue of drunk driving," she said. The destruction of society’s rights and a now 42 million dollar net profit organization is at the helm of MADD. Let me further this conclusion and close this first report by quoting FOX news, that’s right the ultra conservative new’s organization we have grown to either love or hate. Quoting a fox news article, “ MADD's biggest recent victory on the prohibitionist front was a nationwide blood-alcohol threshold of .08, down from .10. But when two-thirds of alcohol-related traffic fatalities involve blood-alcohol levels of .14 and above, and the average fatal accident occurs at .17, this move doesn't make much sense. It's like lowering the speed limit from 65 to 60 to catch people who drive 100 miles per hour. In fact, the U.S. Government Accountability Office reviewed all the statistical data and concluded "the evidence does not conclusively establish that .08 BAC laws by themselves result in reductions in the number and severity of crashes involving alcohol."

In a further report by the news agency they report:.
MADD is also pushing its agenda onto family laws, including a zero tolerance policy for divorced parents. Under the bills MADD is trying to push through state legislatures, a parent caught consuming one beer or glass of wine before driving could face penalties that, according to MADD, "should include, but are not limited to" — "incarceration," "change of primary custody," or "termination of parental rights." This means that if you take your kid to the game, have a beer in the third inning, then drive home, you could very well lose your rights as a father.

Obviously you now will follow my admonition of using a great deal of caution. As you can see, a simple day out of wine tasting, or a beer after work could ultimately cost you a great deal of grief. Feel like changing your answer as to your risk we asked about in the opening paragraph? Just wait it gets even more bizarre.
 

One of the first rules of the road is a set of simple actions or should we say non-actions that you take if you are pulled over by any LE for a suspected DUI, this is of course assuming that you are one of the millions of people who may have a blow reading of .08-.10 which means you do not feel the effects of the alcohol but have had a beer or two a glass of wine.

1st: Never Never agree to a PAS period.
2nd: When the officer begins to ask you questions such as have you been drinking etc etc. You say to the officer, "Officer I will not be answering any of your questions, if you have pulled me over for a suspected DUI, I know that you can disregard my Miranda rights, and use what you ask me against me, therefore you can offer me the next option in your procedure.

3rd: The officer will tell you he is going to give you some roadside tests, (FST's) you say to the officer I will not be submitting to any testing, remember you have a legal right to refuse all roadside testing and it cannot be held aganist you in anyway.

You must stay the one in control of a pull over of this nature, and you can if you understand your rights and the way the game is rigged.

Remember even if you did submit to a blow test, and you blow a .01, any trip slip or miscalculation on the FST's and the officer can arrest you at his will no matter what the blow reading. You have had all your rights taken away by the current power MADD has given cops on the road, therefore you must eliminate any potential slip up or opportunity for the officer to find any cause to arrest you. And believe me they will try anything to get an arrest.

Did you know MADD gives out awards to cops who write the most DUI's? Yup its true, 276 DUI's cases were thrown out of court last year all written by one cop, as he was trying to get the Cop of the Year award from Madd for numbers of DUI's. Yes he fabricated almost half of them!!

Be aware, much more to come on this from the Citizens for Justice in our county.
 

FLASH REPORT TO THE CITIZENS FOR JUSTICE IN LAKE COUNTY:

We have as of Friday received word, that our efforts to bring Judge Martin under the microscope of investigation has been accepted by the Commission on Judicial Performance. A request for a full investigation into the ruling practices and sentencing criteria used by Judge Martin and the local sheriffs operatives, has been accepted by the Commission on Judicial Performance state of California. In essence Judge Martin is now under full investigation by the Commission.

A report and request for investigation was sent to the Commission, the requirement for this request was a lawfully written, detailed account of the practices of Judge martin, including illegal plea bargain arrangements through the DA without defendants receiving proper counsel prior to answering to the judges request for settlement. Along with the illegal activities as previously described concerning the sentencing of Disabled defendants. These are very serious conditions which if the commission through its investigations finds as our law adviser's who assist us in certain matters has found could mean as much as disbarment down to but not limited to public admonishment, suspension, or other punishments as deemed appropriate by the commission.

We will call this a post Christmas gift under the tree for the citizens of Lake County, and we will keep you updated as to the progress of the investigation. Again, if any corruption supporters choose to underestimate our resources, our resolve, and our ability to fight a tenacious, and hard-hitting battle, we suggest you think again. If you choose to continue to go down the road of denial, and dig in your corrupt heels of ignorance you will pay a price far greater then what you may believe is possible.

We want to thank those responsible for the gathering of this information and your risk in collecting the details and facts surrounding this situation. Your help is greatly appreciated by the citizens of Lake County and our fight for the return of justice and transparency.
 

By the way any post concerning the DUI situation we have described, that comment in an ignorant and or unfounded manner, cannot be accepted, this is a very serious situation of which most of those in the county are at risk. You will have to have read the 2 part original posting, and be very clear on what has been indicated. We cannot in this case allow uneducated individuals in this manner to offer bad or simply prohibitionist bantering that skews the exacting facts and conditions which currently exist. We want each and every citizen to be totally aware of the exact conditions and potentials which may befall them if they are not clearly informed and making their decisions with a factual and accurate understanding. For those that would want to use scare tactics or other verbal contrivances do not trifle with us. We are well versed in this area and have studied every aspect of this situation, you will crash and burn if you come at us with anything less then a full scope of understanding.
 

There is much new information over the past few days on the blog, everyone please go back quite a few posts if you have not been on over the holidays to be caught up.
 

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This isn't about the sheriffs dept. but another LE dept. here in LC. Someone I know had an issue with an officer who was showing up wherever a woman and her kids where in public. The woman asked the officer to leave her and her family alone that they were no longer friends with their family and not to approach, contact, or talk to her, her children or any member of her family. The officer who knows the families car makes a point of showing up where ever they go in their small community.

Even though he may have the right to be where ever he wants to be and he may be doing this with in the law it is frightening and alarming to my friend and her family. This officers commander was called a year ago and the incidences stopped for a while. After that commander retired and a new on was in the issue started again. This has been going on for over two years. My friend called the new commander and asked if he would talk to the officer for her. The commander told her that he could do what ever he wanted off duty within the law even if he was frightening citizens in the community. She was also told that no DA would listen to such flimsy evidence for a restraining order even though she had detailed logs of each incidence and witnesses.

My friend still lives with this LEO following her home by coincidence, showing up at youth activities and having his wife take pictures of her kids. The reason for the LEO's reactions was because she found a half naked photo of this LEO's wife on the Internet and next to it was a website link back to a website that had photo's of his kids and other parents minors for sale without their knowledge or consent. They were turned into a out of county sheriff and then to an out of county Internet Task Force. The boys youth organization that many of these photo's of the minors were taken was also alerted. The boys youth organization had them remove the photos but then told them who turned them in. Thus the behavior toward my friends.

My friends husband was approached by the LEO and told he was very cleaver and can tell who is looking at his wife's websites, and the youth group gave them their name. My friends husband told the LEO that his wife and kids thought he was stalking her and the kids. So why would any decent man continue to show up anywhere this family is when he knows it frightens them?

What can they do next? They have gone to every branch of LE even the police in another county. Another parent even contacted the FBI. This man is in LE and there seems to be no one willing to listen. As long as this man does what ever he wants "just" within the law he knows he can't get in trouble. That doesn't mean that citizens in his community aren't scared, frightened, and intimidated by him. Of course they are. He has a badge and a gun and the law to back him up.

I don't think any one here can help, but I just wanted everyone to know what goes on here in this county, and not just in the Sheriffs Dept. The citizens in this county truly fell helpless against their loss of life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness.
 

Post 7:54, you have to engage a conversation, you cannot make a statement without documenting why you think the way you do, you must look at the details of the description I am giving you, you have to read the 2 part post as well. Every single Dui Lawyer, from Lawrence Taylor the most prominent of them to the top 10 will tell you to do exactly what I have described. Also remember once a cop pulls you over for a suspected DUI, 98 percent of the time they make an arrest, this is because the lawsuit potential is deemed to be so high if for example they let you go and you get in an accident up the road even if it wasn't your fault, the police department is at huge risk of lawsuit by the other party. So remember once you are pulled over you are for all intents and purpose's going down, and you better limit the available to the highest degree the law will allow and be aware of what those options are, you are scared you are not thinking clearly.
 

Post 8:10 we can help you, you must post on our e-mail account, which is sheriffmitchellwatch@gmail.com if you have officers names and as much detail of what you are describing as possible. All potential contact information DA's names, Officers names, everything you can possibly give to us for research and investigation. You can post on the public thread here but I am assuming this is not seen as an option in this situation.
 

ATTENTION: WE ARE GOING TO BEGIN A COUPLE OF NEW PHASES TO OUR OPERATIONS, WE WILL BE LOOKING FOR VOLUNTEERS AND AS WELL THOSE LOOKING TO WORK ON THE INVESTIGATIONS END OF THINGS.

There is going to be a strict qualification requirement to maintain anonymity and security to our operations. Those who would be interested should first post an interested comment in our e-mail account, and we will make contact with you it will be a month or two before we make decisions and start the expansion, this will include the elections team and other areas.

That e-mail is sheriffmitchellwatch@gmail.com
 

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What's with the DUI stuff? I thought we were trying to get Mitchell and Hokins out of office?

Correct the mismanagement Mitchell is involved in and get someone else as Sheriff. Heck get ANYONE even a first year cadet deputy.
 

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Part 1 or 2 part posting

There is much that has to be done concerning DUI's and the business of DUI's not only in this county but across this country, This is on the citizens group radar, and the CHP, the courts and the entire system has to looked as you read the article below which is being posted in two parts this will give you an idea of the travesty that is happening, the destruction of basic rights and the control of an out of control MADD organization. This citizens group is going to take on these issues with great resolve in the not to distant future. There is some light and the end of the tunnel on this as this article will point out.


DUI’s AND YOU

Are you a law-abiding citizen? You are? Do you think you are not at risk for a DUI? If you think you’re not, you better think again. The following is a multi part series on the current state of DUI law and processes, and why as citizens you are uninformed and at risk of being a victim to an out of control system bent on the abuse of your rights and the ability to defend yourself. In subsequent articles we will discuss among other things, MADD, local enforcement techniques, how to react if you are pulled over, what your rights are, and how to handle the enforcement officer pulling you over. As well we will “follow the money” in the DUI industry, discuss local judges, the DA, and the ongoing organizations trying to bring justice to an out of control system.

To start let me first say this is not a promotion for drinking and driving, we all agree that we should not be drunk while on the road. Part of the problem comes from what is drunk? Who and how that determination is made, and how we got in this condition in the first place. Let’s do a little history lesson. We’ll start with the organization called MADD “Mothers against drunk drivers.

The organization was first formed by Candy Lightner Lightner's 13-year-old daughter Cari, while walking down a quiet street, was struck from behind by a car. The impact threw Cari 125 feet, knocking off her shoes and mutilating her body so badly that it was not possible to save her organs for donation. Clarence William Busch, the driver of the car, did not stop. At the time of the crash, Busch had four previous drunk driving convictions, for which he had served, at most, 48 hours in jail. He had been arrested for another hit-and-run accident just two days before hitting Cari.

During the course of the next several years Lightner formed MADD and the campaign against drunk drivers was begun. For the most part it was an admirable effort and in the beginning served what Lightner believed its purpose was. The removal of habitual and major drunk drivers from the road. As events unfolded and MADD grew to a massive money generating organization. “Scope creep” occurred and the organization was infiltrated by prohibitionist individuals who using the “Mothers” moniker could, and did get, politicians, legislators, courts, judges, and the general public (namely mothers), to buy into any and all of their demands. I mean think about it, how could anyone(especially) politicians say no to sweet mothers with children who only want them to be safe and un-harmed while playing hide and seek on their neighborhood streets? I know that sounds a bit sarcastic, but it is the hand they dealt the legislators, and dared them “to say no”. Of course they didn’t as vote count was most important, not the rights of society for fair and just criminal treatment
# posted by Blogger Lovelace : December 27, 2009 8:06 AM
 

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Part 2 or 2 parts

But ah here is the rub, Candy Lightner several years ago left the MADD organization it’s founder was gone and here’s why. [MADD has] become far more neo-prohibitionist than I had ever wanted or envisioned ...," Lightner is quoted as saying in an Aug. 6 story in the Washington Times. "I didn't start MADD to deal with alcohol. I started MADD to deal with the issue of drunk driving," she said. The destruction of society’s rights and a now 42 million dollar net profit organization is at the helm of MADD. Let me further this conclusion and close this first report by quoting FOX news, that’s right the ultra conservative new’s organization we have grown to either love or hate. Quoting a fox news article, “ MADD's biggest recent victory on the prohibitionist front was a nationwide blood-alcohol threshold of .08, down from .10. But when two-thirds of alcohol-related traffic fatalities involve blood-alcohol levels of .14 and above, and the average fatal accident occurs at .17, this move doesn't make much sense. It's like lowering the speed limit from 65 to 60 to catch people who drive 100 miles per hour. In fact, the U.S. Government Accountability Office reviewed all the statistical data and concluded "the evidence does not conclusively establish that .08 BAC laws by themselves result in reductions in the number and severity of crashes involving alcohol."

In a further report by the news agency they report:.
MADD is also pushing its agenda onto family laws, including a zero tolerance policy for divorced parents. Under the bills MADD is trying to push through state legislatures, a parent caught consuming one beer or glass of wine before driving could face penalties that, according to MADD, "should include, but are not limited to" — "incarceration," "change of primary custody," or "termination of parental rights." This means that if you take your kid to the game, have a beer in the third inning, then drive home, you could very well lose your rights as a father.

Obviously you now will follow my admonition of using a great deal of caution. As you can see, a simple day out of wine tasting, or a beer after work could ultimately cost you a great deal of grief. Feel like changing your answer as to your risk we asked about in the opening paragraph? Just wait it gets even more bizarre.
# posted by Blogger Lovelace : December 27, 2009 8:09 AM
 

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One of the first rules of the road is a set of simple actions or should we say non-actions that you take if you are pulled over by any LE for a suspected DUI, this is of course assuming that you are one of the millions of people who may have a blow reading of .08-.10 which means you do not feel the effects of the alcohol but have had a beer or two a glass of wine.

1st: Never Never agree to a PAS period.
2nd: When the officer begins to ask you questions such as have you been drinking etc etc. You say to the officer, "Officer I will not be answering any of your questions, if you have pulled me over for a suspected DUI, I know that you can disregard my Miranda rights, and use what you ask me against me, therefore you can offer me the next option in your procedure.

3rd: The officer will tell you he is going to give you some roadside tests, (FST's) you say to the officer I will not be submitting to any testing, remember you have a legal right to refuse all roadside testing and it cannot be held aganist you in anyway.

You must stay the one in control of a pull over of this nature, and you can if you understand your rights and the way the game is rigged.

Remember even if you did submit to a blow test, and you blow a .01, any trip slip or miscalculation on the FST's and the officer can arrest you at his will no matter what the blow reading. You have had all your rights taken away by the current power MADD has given cops on the road, therefore you must eliminate any potential slip up or opportunity for the officer to find any cause to arrest you. And believe me they will try anything to get an arrest.

Did you know MADD gives out awards to cops who write the most DUI's? Yup its true, 276 DUI's cases were thrown out of court last year all written by one cop, as he was trying to get the Cop of the Year award from Madd for numbers of DUI's. Yes he fabricated almost half of them!!

Be aware, much more to come on this from the Citizens for Justice in our county.
# posted by Anonymous Anonymous : December 27, 2009 8:36 AM
 

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This isn't about the sheriffs dept. but another LE dept. here in LC. Someone I know had an issue with an officer who was showing up wherever a woman and her kids where in public. The woman asked the officer to leave her and her family alone that they were no longer friends with their family and not to approach, contact, or talk to her, her children or any member of her family. The officer who knows the families car makes a point of showing up where ever they go in their small community.

Even though he may have the right to be where ever he wants to be and he may be doing this with in the law it is frightening and alarming to my friend and her family. This officers commander was called a year ago and the incidences stopped for a while. After that commander retired and a new on was in the issue started again. This has been going on for over two years. My friend called the new commander and asked if he would talk to the officer for her. The commander told her that he could do what ever he wanted off duty within the law even if he was frightening citizens in the community. She was also told that no DA would listen to such flimsy evidence for a restraining order even though she had detailed logs of each incidence and witnesses.

My friend still lives with this LEO following her home by coincidence, showing up at youth activities and having his wife take pictures of her kids. The reason for the LEO's reactions was because she found a half naked photo of this LEO's wife on the Internet and next to it was a website link back to a website that had photo's of his kids and other parents minors for sale without their knowledge or consent. They were turned into a out of county sheriff and then to an out of county Internet Task Force. The boys youth organization that many of these photo's of the minors were taken was also alerted. The boys youth organization had them remove the photos but then told them who turned them in. Thus the behavior toward my friends.

My friends husband was approached by the LEO and told he was very cleaver and can tell who is looking at his wife's websites, and the youth group gave them their name. My friends husband told the LEO that his wife and kids thought he was stalking her and the kids. So why would any decent man continue to show up anywhere this family is when he knows it frightens them?

What can they do next? They have gone to every branch of LE even the police in another county. Another parent even contacted the FBI. This man is in LE and there seems to be no one willing to listen. As long as this man does what ever he wants "just" within the law he knows he can't get in trouble. That doesn't mean that citizens in his community aren't scared, frightened, and intimidated by him. Of course they are. He has a badge and a gun and the law to back him up.

I don't think any one here can help, but I just wanted everyone to know what goes on here in this county, and not just in the Sheriffs Dept. The citizens in this county truly fell helpless against their loss of life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness.
# posted by Anonymous Anonymous : December 27, 2009 8:10 PM
 

If due to the holiday weekend, you have not been on the blog in the past few days be sure to go back, 20 or so comments as there is important information that has been posted.
 

Dec. 24th, 5:52 Yes Officer Goodmanson, here is your chance to tell all. How much of a settlement was it, $50,000. or $80,000? Did racist Rodney write the check or the County? I must say a very expensive "N" word. plenty more to come, stay tuned.
 

Just a tid bit of information and perhaps inspiration for those of you who have felt the wrath of the LE under the direction of Rodney Mitchell, et al.
The famous Zodiac killer of Vallejo, Ca was pursued by an individual who just wouldn't quit.
It is true that the Zodiac killer did not serve time behind bars, and his mental illness was unbelievable in the havoc it produced. The Zondia killer, was contained, however.
The Zodiac killer had to stop killing. When he died they found out this individual was absolutely right and they kept a vigilant eye on the suspect, who was, in fact, the Zodiac killer.
There is NO telling how many people this persistent individual saved from a horrible death. What kept him going? The need to make his community safe.
He could not bring back the victims of the Zodiac killer, but he was successful in stopping the killer. If it had not been for the persistence of this one individual the Zodiac would have had full reign.
This blog is not just one persistant person... it is a veritable posseeor persistent people! Justice will be served.
Our communities will be safer with the new transparency and shifting of power, than ever before and the call has been heard by caring and proactive people.
These people who have formed this transparancy vehicle are truly peace officers that the taxpsayers haven't paid for their services, but who understand and abide by the law enforcement code of ethics.
Mitchell's accomplices appear to me to be mentally unstable and have breached their oath in many ways, personally and professionally. The LE who have had to bend under this ridiculous regime have suffered. The entire LE has suffered.
The People vs. Dinius case got world wide attention for a reason and made the whole of the LE look like incompetent and self serving common criminals and bullies with badges.
I am grateful for the creators of this forum and their efforts and commend them.
I look forward to a joyous and producrtive new year beause of their efforts. They give me hope for a better day and I am sure a lot of other good citizens too.
I thank GOd for this democracy in our great country and the power of free speech and the technology to make this happen and the insightful people who put together this forum. Pioneers of the new millinieum!
 

glad You think it is Free speech...it does not fair too well on this blog with all the deletes that have taken place the postings are only what the head honchoes want others to see
 

Head honchoes? Once contact is made on a valid complaint then that posters information doesn't appear. As far as I know ALL comments are archived.
 

Well thanks for calling us "head Honchoes" such a lofty title. My dear friend, and we invite you to post something with substance, something that would tell the citizens of this county, that Mitchell or Hopkins are the men for those leadership roles, we invite you to state your case, as to the high and esteemed individuals as leaders these people are. You can post till your blue in the face about how you hate this site. As you can see your post is up there, it says nothing, it provides no value, it disputes nothing, but simply whines about the important work being done. State your claim, bring us your facts, tell us and the people why Mitchell and Hopkins should remain in office. State why the Dinius trial was good, state why the discrimination against the disabled was right, a wrong by the way that we have corrected. State why Judge Martin should not be under investigation, and why. State why the increased vigilance concerning their behavior is being corrected and due caution is now being used by our local LE, in their enforcement activities is not good. Step up to the plate you two bit punk, you want to go head to head with us, bring it. If your going to come here to post, be a man state your case and back it up. Otherwise your just a charlatan, someone who has never stood for a cause in their life. Back the people up my friend, be a citizen, and understand the importance of what we are doing and what we have accomplished. You, have come to a knife fight with pickle, your screaming foul and you don't play in the game, your the peanut gallery who wishes you had done something in your life and now all you can do is whine about those who do. We could keep hammering on your idiot approach and what you don't stand for, but this should suffice for now, should you require further beatings be sure to check in with us, we always have a place at the table for your kind.
 

To post 2:18, thank you for the post, it is those posts and the support of the many many people in this county supporting this cause that spurs us on. You can be assured we will not stop, we have many events planned much more to accomplish and a new and exciting direction that this county is going to go in. Please to all individuals out there, pass this site on to all you know, post on our e-mail account telling us you are ready to help. And thank you and everyone for your continued support as we seek the justice and transparency so deserved by the citizens of this county.
 

FLASH REPORT: CONCERNING TOMMY ANDREWS INFORMATION JUST IN:

Well this information is concerning Tommy Andrews you know a detective who was part of the 4 stooges that Mitchell paraded in front of the public, to talk about how untainted and pure they are and how terrible Rivero and others are. Well Tommy maybe you can catch us up on this one:

Remember a bachelors party you went to a few years ago, well you know people talk Tommy and you wouldn't believe who we have contact with. So Tommy you still have that piece of dollar bill you and Shawn Jones, you know Shawn, the DEA informant that grows pot, who amazingly has become invisible as of late, but who quite a few people are looking for. You know the dollar bill Tommy you Shawn and two others decided to tear in 4ths to keep as a memento in remembering what you did to that gal that was at the party. Oh Tommy, people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones should they. Care to step up to the plate Tommy, I mean your such a clean cut good guy, Mitchell used you to further his agenda. Do you represent the top of line guy in Mitchells gang, that is a sad commentary, amazing how your past can come back to haunt you isn't?
 

Ok folks we had an idiot poster with the Madd or as we call it madness posting this is exactly what we were talking about, we will go to moderator mode and eliminate them, as usual the Madd nut cases come out in force when they are attacked. So simply stand by and we will take care of the comments, remember this is the perfect example of the ignorance that is MADD now you see why this scourge upon our society must be stopped. In fact this proves our point exactly.
 

By the way this site will not go to much longer with the DUI issue, we as you know have greater priorities currently, But in due time, So let's leave you with one more statistic, each year there are over 3500 DUI suicides per year within the first one week of arrest, and further more the majority of those suicides are average first time individuals whose job is gone, whose driving is done, money that the average family man or women cannot afford, the DMV attacks, on their own front, and due to madds lobbying has taken over the DMV the DMV has more power then the AJ in this state. And a lot of good people who never were at a pas at .08 or less even gets taken down, and we all know as the article states, all injury and death accidents come at at least .13 or higher,, the article speaks for its self it is in two parts above several posts. We agree bad drunks should be off the road,

Last but not least, because of the lawyers indicating that not submitting to the litany of tests many people have been causing the LE to do the blood etc. Our point now there are a couple of cities who are trying to put into play a forced blood draw on site even if hey hold you down to do it. Ok forced blood taking if necessary, we are serious this is not made up. This is where Madd is pushing its agenda, again we are for getting the "drunks" off the roads of course. But Madds agenda is beginning to effect our civil righta. That's the point we are trying to make.
 

9:38, does this mean anything other then that you have sent a letter to the Commission? It is hard to tell from your post just what is going on. You sent a request, ok, and then what happened? By the way, check with your legal advisors again, Judge Martin cannot be disbarred by the Commission.
 

Quick note to post that was multiple posted. If you want your comment posted simply send a "single" comment to the email account just like the one you used, and we will post it. However we will not be able to commit any more time and space to this being a DUI page. I am sure there are many out there on the net. Thanks
 

Who will draw the blood?
 

Post 7:56, Who's supposed to draw the blood?
 

Good Morning, Now I would like to comment about everyone's social blogging net work! Thank You all in LE and their wives for NOT checking your intertnet bloging site's for "up dates" in your privacy settings...Yes, you thought that you blocked me but I was able to accesss your account through another "friend" source! You forgot about YOUR pictures and I now have copied them to disk! It shows collusion, and proves to your boss's that I have proof! I have weddings, birthdays, parties and BABY SHOWERS in my arsenal and I will use it to show how we were done dirty by dirty cops!! Have a nice New Year...Now it is our turn!!
 

I have been s viewer of this site for a month now and you have made me consider what I keep seeing with more and more citizens exposing some actions unbecoming a member of Our LE depts. I hope most of it is just steam someone is blowing at first but seems many people have had contact with people who know an it is embarassing to know these events have taken place right under our very noses for how long who knows. I will render My own judgement as to what is real or just disgruntled but I am leacing on facts being stated seems to be holding up across the board.
Sal
Spring Valley
 

To the question concerning the investigation of Judge Martin, you may have gotten confused, we have posted on Judge Martin a couple of times the first post indicated a letter of request to open an investigation on judge Martin was sent to the commission, the second post concerning this, was that the Commission had received our request and upon review of the conditions we indicated has agreed to open an investigation. That should clear you up.

To the post suggesting we did not have our facts clear on the power of the commission and its ability to remove a judge from his position, read the below overview of the commission, and oh by the way read the last line carefully, I believe it says including "removal from office". I would think twice about questioning our legal acumen and understanding of what we are indicating, that is a direct quote from the commission by the way so yes this is quite serious, these activities will be stopped, and we will fight for the justice of all citizens, from the disabled to men and women of any color, we will return justice to our county and citizens.

The Commission on Judicial Performance, established in 1960, is the independent state agency responsible for investigating complaints of judicial misconduct and judicial incapacity and for disciplining judges, pursuant to article VI, section 18 of the California Constitution.

The Commission's authority is limited to investigating allegations of judicial misconduct and, if warranted, imposing discipline. Judicial misconduct usually involves conduct in conflict with the standards set forth in the Code of Judicial Ethics. The Commission cannot change a decision made by any judicial officer; this is a function of the state's appellate courts. After investigation, and in some cases a public hearing, the Commission may impose sanctions ranging from confidential discipline to removal from office.
 

Well this information is concerning Tommy Andrews you know a detective who was part of the 4 stooges that Mitchell paraded in front of the public, to talk about how untainted and pure they are and how terrible Rivero and others are. Well Tommy maybe you can catch us up on this one:

Remember a bachelors party you went to a few years ago, well you know people talk Tommy and you wouldn't believe who we have contact with. So Tommy you still have that piece of dollar bill you and Shawn Jones, you know Shawn, the DEA informant that grows pot, who amazingly has become invisible as of late, but who quite a few people are looking for. You know the dollar bill Tommy you Shawn and two others decided to tear in 4ths to keep as a memento in remembering what you did to that gal that was at the party. Oh Tommy, people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones should they. Care to step up to the plate Tommy, I mean your such a clean cut good guy, Mitchell used you to further his agenda. Do you represent the top of line guy in Mitchells gang, that is a sad commentary, amazing how your past can come back to haunt you isn't?
 

OK, you stated at 9:38: "These are very serious conditions which if the commission through its investigations finds as our law adviser's who assist us in certain matters has found could mean as much as disbarment down to but not limited to public admonishment, suspension, or other punishments as deemed appropriate by the commission." The Commission cannot disbar a sitting judge. That's all I said. If you don't know what it means to be disbarred I suggest you ask your legal advisor, but it is not the same thing as removing a judge from the bench (which I agree the Commission may do).
 

Hhhhh we see what you are saying, no problem you have brought the correct word usage to the table, no problem we agree with your post. No matter, trouble in river city for the judge, he is under investigation and we will update everyone when the final is in, and what the results are. Thanks for the clarification.
 

What about ex-LCSO, soon to be ex-LPPO Mark Hommer who is currently sitting on his butt at home on "leave". Rumor has it that when the LPPD finshes their investigation and Hommer is out (which I hear is just a matter of time) that any-all of the cases he is-was involved in will-can be overturned! Also I have it from a reliable source that he likes to blog BS against this blog, just thought I'd let you all know.
 

Hey thanks for the update on Hommer, in fact we had received word of his love of this website ourselves, we think we know when he posts, can someone that much lacking in basic writing and speaking skill sets really be a cop, it is frankly scary I might suggest that the new Sheriff start with giving these guys some basic language and writing tests, to see if they can be tutored a bit they really do make the sharp ones in the LE look bad, you know like Lande, oh wait a minute he is in Santa Cruz. Ok like Mitchell, oh wait he is only an expert on "ism's", ok like Bauman, oh wait he never speaks, I'll get back to ya on that one.
 

It appeared as if we were going to go down a MIA road, and as all you know we limit the amount of space in regards to MIA postings on the thread, we have found other ways of communicating with MIA, and are using those methods, not that MIA can't post comments, but if we start to go down the road of MIA discussions we will cut it off. Just so everyone knows the ground rules, and how we run this portion of the site.
 

You gotta love the post attacking Hommer's "basic writing" skills by using a HUGE run-on sentence. Brings to mind an old saying....Something about stones and glass houses. For your reading enjoyment that post is at 1:41 PM.
 

why is Hommie on his way out? anyone have any insite to the reason I'm listening
thanks
 

Ya but comparing a run on sentence with Hommer's writing skills is like night and day that means you missed a period or comma in various places vs a guy that rights like a 4th grader and actually the post was so funny you have to get a better sense of humor on Hommer your being a little stuffed shirt don't ya think or are you just finding a roundabout way of attacking this site is that what it is huh come on you can step up and tell us Now that my dear friend was a run on sentence in fact it was HUGE. lol
 

There is a post quite a way back that talks about the MO of Hommie, you can go back and find it, or I am sure someone will give you the low down in a few. But don't be using no run-on sentences. He he
 

DON'T WASTE SPACE WITH ASSUMPTIONS SITE MGR TAKE THEIR CRAP OFF
 

2:37, I am still not clear on what is going on with Judge Martin. Is this a staff inquiry or a preliminary investigation?
 

Post 2:37 Re; Judge Martin, this is an investigation that has been opened officially by the Commission on Judicial Performance state of California. It happens in three phases essentially. Phase one is a report has to be sent to them in fairly law gendered presentation, describing the activities of the judge and giving a good deal of details, such as court transcript locations, action that is being taken by the judge your reasons for the claim against the Judge and supporting documentation. Upon the receipt of that information you request a full scale investigation. The commission takes all this information and decides if it warrants a full scale investigation. In this case they have replied to us that a full scale investigation is taking place, they will use various means at their disposal up to and including contacting the judge directly looking at court documents etc etc etc. Then a finding will be sent describing what actions are being taken and what the punishment if you will be handed down. We have already listed the various punishments that could take place. Hope that helps clarify.
 

to post 7:02...maybe if you asked nice, they would listen to your request but your yelling won't get you anywhere.....Geeee sorry Hommer how does it feel to have your laundry aired for all to see....let me think, where do I began?
 

So you don't know whether it is a staff inquiry or a preliminary investigation. Ok, I guess that stuff is kind of complicated. You forgot to list one possible outcome, which is that the investigation will exonerate Judge Martin. Maybe it isn't the outcome you want or expect, but it is certainly possible.
 

Ok I'll call bullshit on the Judge Martin "investigation" Post the official response (on their letterhead) that states the Commission on Judicial Performance is conducting an investigation. Put up or shut up.
 

Ok I'll call bullshit on 8:14 PM Under what authority do you make your demands? Put up or shut up.
 

Ok I'll call bullshit on 8:14 PM Under what authority do you make your demands? Put up or shut up
 

Alright lively conversation I think we can settle this down real easy like. No need to get to wound up. Yes you are correct there is a letterhead from the commission, with the narrative of what we described. No we won't produce the letterhead with the commissions blue stamp at the top and signed and dated as it is not your place to demand, this is now a matter for the commission and Judge Martin, period. When there is an outcome we will detail and then when it is released as public knowledge it will be available. That timing and those efforts will be carried out by the commission period. So were clear no need for you to request any documentation, we do the work, write the letters, take the time, care for people being wronged, were not getting paid for this, while you sit on your two cents and whine, You might be smart enough to help if you would get off illusions and simply look at what were trying to accomplish.

So thats it simple as it is.
 

Were going to go to the moderated role for a bit, the madness posters have come back funny as it is, so you know the routine, same posting it just runs through the back door so your post will take a bit longer to go up.
 

When Drunk Driving Deterrence Becomes Neo-Prohibition



By Radley Balko



This fall Mothers Against Drunk Driving marks its 25th anniversary. The organization certainly has much to celebrate: Deaths from drunk driving are down more than 35 percent since the early 1980s. We no longer chuckle at the bumbling drunk who can barely get his key into the ignition — we scorn him. Hopefully, we arrest him, too.

Unfortunately, MADD has come to outlive and outgrow its original mission. By the mid-1990s, deaths from drunk driving began to level off, after 15 years of progress. The sensible conclusion to draw from this was that the occasional drunk driver had all but been eradicated. MADD's successes had boiled the problem down to a small group of hard-core alcoholics.

It was at about this time that MADD began to move in a different direction, one not so much aimed at reducing drunk driving fatalities but at stripping DWI defendants of basic criminal rights. MADD also seemed to expand its mission to one of discouraging the consumption of alcohol in general — what critics call "neo-prohibition."

MADD's biggest victory on this front was a nationwide blood-alcohol threshold of .08, down from .10. But when two-thirds of alcohol-related traffic fatalities involve blood-alcohol levels of .14 and above, and the average fatal accident occurs at .17, this move doesn't make much sense. It's like lowering the speed limit from 65 to 60 to catch people who drive 100 miles per hour. In fact, the U.S. Government Accountability Office reviewed all the statistical data and concluded "the evidence does not conclusively establish that .08 BAC laws by themselves result in reductions in the number and severity of crashes involving alcohol."
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Indeed, many critics of the .08 policy predicted that the new law could make matters worse by using up scarce law enforcement resources to go after these new "drunk" drivers who don't pose much of a threat to highway safety. This is primarily done through the use of highly-publicized roadblock sobriety checkpoints, in which 12 to 20 police officers stop every passing car to make sure the driver hasn't been drinking.

The Supreme Court gave its OK to the road blocks in 1992, despite conceding that they may violate the Fourth Amendment. Former Chief Justice William Rehnquist wrote that the threat to public health posed by drunk drivers was reason enough to set aside concerns about searches without probable cause. Given that they're usually publicized, the primary effect of these roadblocks is to deter social drinkers. The hard-drinkers, the real threats to highway safety, know to avoid them.
 

second page Madd update

Sure enough, after former President Clinton signed .08 into law in 2000, drunk driving fatalities began to inch upward again — after two decades of decline — suggesting that the real drunk drivers were successfully avoiding the roadblocks. Thankfully, fatalities fell again last year, but that hardly proves MADD correct — deaths continued to go up in those states that employ sobriety roadblocks. The corresponding fall in fatalities in states that refuse to use the roadblocks more than made up the difference, suggesting that, freed from roadblock duty, law enforcement was able to work more effectively to catch drunk drivers.

Many local police departments have noted the inefficiency of roadblocks and given up the practice, despite the prodding from MADD and the federal funding that comes with them.

Of course, many states and municipalities still use roadblocks. But they use them under the guise of looking for drunk drivers, then ticket motorists for a variety of infractions, only a small percentage of which involve driving while intoxicated. In other words, they've become revenue generators. A newspaper account of one recent North Carolina checkpoint, for example, found officers ticketing motorists for more than 45 infractions. Only three involved driving under the influence. That's actually high. Nationwide, less than .02 percent of motorists stopped at road blocks are arrested for DWI.

MADD has also worked to undermine the criminal protections of accused drunk drivers — protections routinely granted to accused murderers, rapists and other felony crimes. MADD, for example, has pushed to impose tougher penalties on motorists who refuse to take roadside breath tests than on those who take them and fail — effectively turning the Fifth Amendment on its ear. The organization also favors "administrative license revocation," which means the revocation of the driver's licenses and, in some cases, the confiscation of the vehicles, of those accused of drunken driving before they're ever given a trial.

The organization is also pushing the widespread use of ignition interlock devices, in which a driver must blow into a tube to start his car, then blow again every 20 minutes or so while driving. Washington state recently passed a law allowing judges to mandate the devices in the cars of people merely accused of drunk driving, not convicted. And the states of New Mexico and New York have both considered legislation that would require the devices in every car sold in-state. The New Mexico bill is stalled in the state senate after being passed by the house. The New York bill was initially killed, but it gains more votes each time its determined sponsors reintroduce it.

MADD is also pushing its agenda onto family laws, including a zero tolerance policy for divorced parents. Under the bills MADD is trying to push through state legislatures, a parent caught consuming one beer or glass of wine before driving could face penalties that, according to MADD, "should include, but are not limited to" — "incarceration," "change of primary custody," or "termination of parental rights." This means that if you take your kid to the game, have a beer in the third inning, then drive home, you could very well lose your rights as a father.

Even MADD's founder, Candy Lightner, has lamented that the organization has grown neo-prohibitionist in nature.
 

last part of MADD update


"[MADD has] become far more neo-prohibitionist than I had ever wanted or envisioned ...," Lightner is quoted as saying in an Aug. 6 story in the Washington Times. "I didn't start MADD to deal with alcohol. I started MADD to deal with the issue of drunk driving," she said.

Unfortunately, the tax-exempt organization has become so enmeshed with government it has nearly become a formal government agency. MADD gets millions of dollars in federal and state funding, and has a quasi-official relationship with the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration. In some jurisdictions, DWI defendants are sentenced to attend and pay for alcoholic-recovery groups sponsored by MADD. In many cities, MADD officials are even allowed to man sobriety checkpoints alongside police.

On the occasion of its 25th anniversary, perhaps its time Congress revisit the spigot of federal funding flowing to MADD, and consider revoking the organization's tax-exempt status. Clearly, MADD isn't the same organization it was 25 years ago. It has morphed into an anti-alcohol lobbying organization. There's nothing wrong with that — it's certainly within MADD's and its supporters' First Amendment rights.

But taxpayers shouldn't be forced to subsidize them.
 

Sorry about the long post but wanted to make sure everone got a good concept of what Maddness is all about. This article was on the mark, it was in the online fox news site. If the crazy's at Maddness are going to try the multiple post we want to show them some proof of the error of their ways, heck who knows show them enough facts they may come around, but it is difficult to overcome that level of brainwashing Maddness puts on ignorant people. Well at least we can try.
 

Thanks for the back up post 9{11
 

Thats 9:11 post
 

Is this council going to investigate how the publuc defenders just stand there and let Judge Martin do whatever he wants? Are any of them going to get into trouble for what they don't do?
 

A public defender Shawn Collins is partly responsible for the current investigation, and his public defender helped by assisting in the reporting of the disability situation to the BOS, we are thankful to him for his effort. They have no control over the judge, and this defender is sticking his neck out to assist in bringing not only the sheriffs dept. but the judge under control, it was one of his clients who is disabled who he is fighting for. Don't know about the other PD's, but we will assist them as well if necessary.
 

should read and "this" public defender.
 

Before judge Crone was judge he was an attorney with the Lake County District Attorneys Office. And before Bismarck there was Bill who was an innocent man who was charge with causing 3 deaths in a boating accident. The investigation was about the same the sheriffs responded but the other boat involved and the occuptants had left town. The sheriffs never questioned them on they're return. The wheels of the press printed the story and blamed Bill but never printed the other boat driver's name or the occupants of it. Some had said that the culprits daddy had connections to the mob so they say. While Bill was being wrong prosecuted Crone, Benevendes and Tanti would meet for lunch daily and Charlie still remained uncharged with causing the accident. Bill faced huge legal fees and a 6 million dollar lawsuit but his family was determined to prove his innocence and finally that day came. In a deposition a witness testified she was an occupant on the boat along with Charlie and the others, they had all been drinking alcohol and Charlie was at the wheel, reckless driving when he crashed into Bill's boat killing 3 young adults. The DA refused to charge Charlie because of his age. The 3 victims never got justice. This is the same judge that ruled in the Dinius case and should have reclused himself.
 

Ahhhhhh Mitchell...
Can't manage a simple thing like telling a set of sergeants to call another agency at the boat crash site.
It sure was simple to call the DA's Office for a LCSO involved shooting. And why? BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO SHOW FAVORITISM!! My god man, can't you even do that right?
 

It is time for Mitchell and HOpkins to step down, and if they don't over the course of the next few months they are going to take a hammering.
 

post 7:58 is the DA your mentioning Hopkins? what was the time frame of the incident if you know? Could you give any details on the first names as far as what their last names are?

Oh by the way different subject, does anybody know if Judge Mann is a retired judge who is actually working as a stand in via the justice department? This is the word we are getting as we looking at the possibility of launching an investigation in his direction. As well anyone with Judges names and detailed reports of illegal or unsavory activity please post the information. Thanks