Lake County Government Watch

What happened at the BOS meeting today
 

Hey post 5:44 the idea is that you don't get to know where it is going, now it is true that due to your utter ignorance, we don't have to work to hard at accomplishing that, but none the less for your own edification you are correct you don't have a clue where it(or anything for that matter) is going. Thanks for verifying what we thought was the case.
 

5:44 here Oh sorry I did not get that. You are so smart. Thank you for filling me in. You know I was educated here in Lake County so I am a little behind the curve. Perhaps you could fill me in sometime because I don't understand all your deep thinking.
 

Post 6:30, I hate to tell you this but I don't think were even having a conversation. let's call it a day.
 

cynical = captious, peevish 2 : having or showing the attitude or temper of a cynic: as a : contemptuously distrustful of human nature and motives

i can't tell who's worse... 6:30pm or 6:37pm, but I do notice that their mindless posts don't get deleted. It's just a bunch of "Neener, neener - my mother can beat up your mother" stuff. *eye roll*
 

wonder if the cops are drug tested weekly like the parolees. they should be.
 

Nice try
 

Wow, so now at long last we can watch Channel 8 on Sunday and watch to see who represents Lovelace and Company during their 3 minutes of fame or shame; you decide which it is. Gawrsh, the suspense is just sending shivers up and down my back.
 

Anyone that would hold either Darek or Sean Navaro as reliable has some serious issues. Both were fired from honorable professions, and both are bags of douch-e.
 

no not free speech and the Moderator will let you know incase you doubt,just keep posting and those who missed it will eventually see it
they only keep postings that slam LE
 

Talk to ANY LCSO member.....Beland is a chump. Total jerk with no regard for others. Talk to the good people AND the the crooks in Kelseyville. Know what you'll hear? "We want a FREE land. Not a BELAND!"
 

It always makes me smile to see LC finest LE show their true colors. You thugs are funny but don't you know how obvious you make it that you are SO deputies/buddies/wives? What was it "break time", "hubby not home yet", "one too many?" You come off as a bunch of bedwetters and crybabies! Shut up and go back to work, bed or your bottle!
 

11:40 = = = I love it!!!
 

10:37 PM...Shame on you. What is wrong with you? Foul language and hoping for more victims is a true sign that you are bitter and fearful of being exposed. People want law and order in Lake County. Don't complain when you ignorant post is removed.
 

I would like to see some names of LCSO that the Moderator feels are on the job doing their best and not one of their Targets.
 

To post 8:40 AM

I'm not the moderator but I personally feel that Chris Macedo, Derek Navaro (I believe he's innocent and had a wigged out babysitter who lies) are two from LE that have my support.
 

To post 9:02 ya thats why he is going to trial, and the babysitter is pregant. Cause he is such a sharp good guy.

Ys post 9:06 watch channel 8 and you will see who we are, ya do that, you actually think one of the Lovelace operatives would be the one giving notification in public to the board, ya go ahead and watch good old channel 8 then you will have us for sure.
 

IMPORTANT NOTIFICATION TO THE CITZENS OF LAKE COUNTY AND THOSE PARTICIPATING IN SEEKING JUSTICE THROUGH THIS WEBSITE.

Pursuant to our goals and in the interest of public justice and a fair accounting of our local judges and LE departments, we are filing a notice and request for investigation to The Commission on Judicial Performance. As per our previous post concerning the investigation into the ADA disability issues occurring in our local sheriff and court systems, we have contacted the Commission and it has then been requested by that same Commission that a report be filed directly to them concerning the activities of Judge Martin and Judge Mann of the Lake County Superior Court. Along with the significant ADA issues we have investigated, we are also asking the commission to investigate the pre=trail request for plea bargins without counsel being assigned to defendants. This is also a very serious violation of the citizens rights. Although we have not outlined this aspect of the investigation to be taken on by the commission, we will do so in further posts, as our information indicates and it has been confirmed that those practices as well are a violation of the citizens right to defense and the laws of the State of California. Below you will find the mandate and purpose of the commission, its operations, and power of authority it holds.


The Commission on Judicial Performance, established in 1960, is the independent state agency responsible for investigating complaints of judicial misconduct and judicial incapacity and for disciplining judges, pursuant to article VI, section 18 of the California Constitution.

The Commission's mandate is to protect the public, enforce rigorous standards of judicial conduct and maintain public confidence in the integrity and independence of the judicial system. While the majority of California's judges are committed to maintaining the high standards expected of the judiciary, an effective method of disciplining judges who engage in misconduct is essential to the functioning of our judicial system. Commission proceedings provide a fair and appropriate mechanism to preserve the integrity of the judicial process.

The Commission's jurisdiction includes all judges of California's superior courts and the justices of the Court of Appeal and Supreme Court. The Commission also has jurisdiction over former judges for conduct prior to retirement or resignation.

As you can see the commission has far reaching powers and in our investigation it became clear that the commissions ability to prosecute must be extended to those cases and judges for conduct prior to retirement or resignation. Since we are aware of the tendency within the local government officials to seek retirement or resignation to escape exposure.

As many of you know we had a number individuals posting concerning these investigations indicating they felt it was just a bunch of hippies trying to stir up trouble. To those who posted, let your hearts be still, and be aware, we are not in this for the short term, and we will pull no punches, you can attempt to discredit us yet our actions and results will speak for themselves.
 

NOTIFICATION TO THE CITIZENS OF LAKE COUNTY, AND THOSE SEEKING JUSTICE THROUGH THIS WEBSITE.

We want to inform all citizens that the issues concerning Judge Martin and Judge Mann in regards to the discrimination and illegal activity in concert with the Sheriffs department has been reported to counsel representing Lake County, counsel was informed several days ago, and this opens the third path of action concerning the sheriff and judical issues previously discussed. In addition it should be noted that news outlets have been informed of this situation and connections have been established between those organizations and others representing defendants or others harmed by these actions.
 

We are requesting that any individuals who have been discriminated against in this case who are disabled please forward to us this information. You can use our sheriffmitchellwatch@gmail.com, or you can post on the public page. If you have a story to tell in this regard, please post your story as well. If you want to post your story and give us your detailed information on the mail account that is fine as well. Please pass on to all individuals you know who may be affected and put them in contact with our web page. Please print this posting and place it on as many billboards and notification boards as possible.

We are not just playing tag with you, this is real, and the nature and scope of our investigations will be done to this level of detail, and we will not be dissuaded from these actions. For those who may think or have said in the past show me some evidence, here is your example of how we will operate and what we will accomplish. For those that think they are in the clear you should Know that when we bring people or actions that have been taken in this corrupt situation, we are and will follow up. We have established many resources to assist us, inside the system and outside. All have agreed to work with us under the cover of our anonymity so that we can continue our investigations without restriction. We are thankful to those assisting us in this cause. We will be posting continued follow up information on this case.
 

9:30 AM It takes 9 months yo yo head.
 

Just finished catching up on the blog, you know if you corruption supporters don't watch out you'll turn lovelace into a hero, I can tell you the name is spreading like wild fire in the public. This or these people seem quite a bit sharper then you guys. I might suggest you sharpen your pencils or perhaps the top of your heads, because you got a lot of catchin up to do!
I Love It, finally lake county corruption is getting its due. Keep it up lovelace and friends. Take these boys out to the wood shed and give em a real good attitude adjustment! Thanks!
 

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Re:Navarro, let it be said clearly, Navarro did not get anyone pregnant, the individualwho accused him has history of some wacked out activity and a know liar within her family. The rush to judgement took out a good Cop. He has gone through hell unjustified. I cannot say more it would betray My promise to not repeat what is ahead HE WILL BE CLEARED.
too much gets said about the guys and taken as gospel, sad to see the good one get TOSSED UNDER THAT BUS HEAD OVER THEHILL TO DISTRUCTION.
 

# posted by Anonymous : December 9, 2009 9:02 AM

You are Spot On about Chris Macedo and Derek Navarro I know both personally and respect them very much.
 

Sorry Macedo/Navarro scale of 1-10 on integrity got to give them a 2 and that's being generous. I am a nice guy that way.
 

I'm a nice guy too and if anyone knows of the next court date for Derek Navarro please post it. I want to show my support and hear the words spoken in court for myself as they will absolve him of any and all charges. The down side of this is that the SO will have more egg on their faces and Lake County will loose once again in the media.

If anyone cares I heard that the babysitter broke up a marriage in Cobb AFTER she falsely accused Navarro.
 

Anyone have any information MO etc. on an individual named Santor or close to that who works for LPPD? Any infor would be appereciated.
 

RE Navarro:

He was the only LE officer involved that knew the law....

If you are served with a TRO (temporary restraining order) for any reason, not only domestic violence, you must surrender all guns within 24 hours. My co-worker's friend went round and round with Moorshed on this. Moorshed apparently phoned someone at the DA's office who in-correctly sided with Moorshed. Numerous other deputies had the same wrong position, all claiming "only in domestic violence".
 

10:15am

His wife works for the DA
 

Thanks for the info on Santor, if you or anyone has anymore input on him, it would be appreciated, there are a few interesting things going on, and could use some detail on him, don't want to say anything just yet still gathering some info.
 

Here's a thought 10:28 AM, why don't you call him at the PD and ask him your questions? I've spoken with him a time or two and he appears to be a decent fellow. If you still have doubts continue on with your approach. Also, double the serving of thanks for all your efforts.
 

thanks post 10:42 this situation is a bit of a sticky wicket as it were without enough details yet, although appears likely that what we heard is valid, however can't go at this time direct to the officer. Need a bit more overall information to go forward. double the thanks.
 

Rick Santor couldn't ask for a better cop,straight up no nonsense,follows the letter of the law, good demeaner.
 

call him he is working the day shift
 

now what did Bruce Collins do?ahem
 

Can someone help me out, I was following the thread, then the Collins name came up who is this? I am a bit lost on the thread now. thanks
 

Regards to Santor, does anybody now why being with LPPD that he would be involved in any kind of pot busts, DEA type, what is curious is that if we were talking about any pot busts that are not even remotely close to lakeport or what type of connection there could be? Sheriffs connections etc. Any help would be appreciated.
 

Collins is the twit who lost an argument with Judge Martin about a client of his getting AWP (i.e. could find no legal authority to support his position), so he's accusing the judge and the SO of violating the ADA. See his various hyperbolic posts above.
 

Post 3:57 PM

I think that both Santor and his wife worked for the SO when they first moved to Lake County. Both have since taken other positions.
 

During the course of the activity associated with our citizens group, we understand that we may at times cause difficulties and tough decisions come to light that have to be made. There will always be those who are effected either due to fear turning to anger, or emotional reactions that cause outbursts of negativity and lashing out. It should be noted that if we were to describe the aspects of the current disarray and condition of the local sheriffs/DA, and portions of county government that need to be changed corrected or stopped, there is not a single person in the general public or holding any office within the system that could deny the moral, ethical, and admirable situations that we want to correct. Let's list a few of those things for the sake of clarity. We want Mitchell and Hopkins out of office, given all the issues of leadership, management, execution of the offices they hold, their clarity and transparency which is non-existent and the litany of problems from Dinius to helicopters, etc etc. all with right thinking should be able to agree on their removal, either by vote or by outside and inside pressure to step down. You could not maintain credibility in any way if your position is that either Mitchell or Hopkins should remain in office. This is a goal.

We believe that in a just and open county the citizens and Law Enforcement should be able to work hand in hand in the community, we are, to say the, least far far from that. This is the direction we want to see the county move in. We ask why this rift had to happen, how did things get so out of control. This county and many others like it, are moving toward a joint custody if you will of the county that melds the citizens and its local law enforcement together for what we believe can be an effective and transparent relationship. No one can deny this must happen.

We want to be able to look very carefully at the level of Nepotism that exists in this county. The fact that we are a small county and these things will happen is not the point, the point is they can exist but the citizens of this county must have an absolute assurance of the honesty and transparency that should be in place.

The work being done to effect a positive and necessary change in the issue of disability sentencing. No one can deny that this must be corrected so that the equity and execution of this process is fair to all. No one can deny that assisting the disabled is in this situation an excellent goal.
It should be corrected, yes a few will catch some heat etc. But the fact of the matter is this happened, again, on Rodney Mitchells watch. None can disagree thatthis is the case.

We could go on. But here we say to those who disagree with us, perhaps it is method or approach you would question. Let's make a point here and hear this clearly. We remember back in the day when environmentalist were called communist, and druggies, and hippies, and socialist, and anti business, etc. Thank god for them or today there would not be a tree left in the state. Their methods were questioned over and over. You may think our approach to be misguided, we would suggest that you think again, and understand that we think very carefully about our process. We know it can cause some pain, and we know that people see this approach as somewhat untoward. It is difficult to break the initial ice, and a hard first hammering must start the process. Remember they drove metal stakes into redwood trees to stop them from being cut. But it gets better, we would ask the county to work with us not fear us, we would ask those in the public who do not like us, to not fear us. You can see our goals are admirable, in total they are far reaching and difficult to achieve, but they must and in the end they will.
 

Way to marginalize anyone who disagrees with you, pal. That really bolsters your credibility.
 

To post 4:40, why is Collins a twit, I sat in the BOS Tuesday and he seemed to be a sharp, quick person, is he a public defender? By the way you must have been in the court room when this request for his disabled client was made, huh? So you are either a SO or a court employee or Judge Martin,(that would be funny) hmmmmmmmm, now that means you must see Mr. Collins all the time. I am going to suggest I bet this guy is a lot sharper then you, and I'll just bet he has a far greater education then you. You know what, I think I know who you are my friend. But none the less it sounds like this guy is trying to write a wrong and maybe save the county a ton of money from lawsuits, you might want to double check your stand their partner.
 

Well I thought it was a honest good comment, whats your problem with them on that post? Be specific.
 

Last I knew Bruce Collins was a ADA or DDA. Who is Dan Hearst?
 

Ezzzzzzzzz I am confused, where did his name come from in the thread or where does it fit, and who the heck is Dan Hearst. Jeezzzzzzzzz I am so confused?
 

Bruce Collins is a Deputy District Attorney. Dan Hurst is a Deputy District Attorney. Sean Collins is a twit.
 

TO THE CITIZENS OF LAKE COUNTY AND THOSE SUPPORTING THIS EFFORT:

We have received word that today an individual reported to the Board of Supervisors and county counsel being present, that a significant issue of discrimination is occuring in the sentencing process against the disabled, this website, had reported earlier the details of this situation. The individual reporting this to the board was a public defender handling cases in the lake county superior court. We admire this individual for taking a stand, his moral compass and integrity is exactly what we must strive for in our local officials LE/DA and the public. Again none can disagree with the effort to ensure the disabled are treated fairly and with the same justice and options granted to others. As well this is occurring on Mitchells and Hopkins watch. The remedy and any discipline must include a mandate to ensure sheriff Mitchell and if applicable DA Hopkins are held accountable, this is on their watch. We ask who is watching the store? Where is the oversight of these organizations, now we see that they are putting the county at monetary risk. We call on county officials to give a full and public reporting as to the disposition now and final and the consequences effecting the individuals responsible for these actions.
 

The individual who reported and is acting on the above situation, is the "twit" mentioned above. When a twit is that much sharper then the poster, and if the poster is SO that is real real scary.
 

How is Hopkins accountable for an SO policy?
 

If you read the post it says if applicable in regards to punishment towards Hopkins, in this specific situation. However just the fact that a DA is aware of this illegal situation, he should be taking action. He should know better.
 

See, here's the problem I'm having; what penal statute is being violated? Assuming, for the sake of argument, that the SO has a policy around AWP that violates the ADA (and frankly you have not actually established that as far as I can tell. Citation to some specific authority would be helpful) isn't that a civil wrong? Also, the sentence "If you read the post it says if applicable in regards to punishment towards Hopkins, in this specific situation." does not actually make sense, to me anyway. Where did you go to law school, Collins, (you twit)?
 

Ok to make you feel better post 7:27 this is Collins(ok for everybody else this isn't really him.) but don't tell post 7:27 that. Now it does make perfect sense, "if applicable" "in this specific situation" regards Hopkins. That is to say, if there is any responsibility that is to be bore by Hopkins in this specific(ADA) situation then make sure it happens. I didn't write it but I can follow it why can't you.

From what I can tell, it is simply a program offered to the general public should be offered to the disabled as well, you cannot discriminate in that manner by ADA guidelines. Thats the jist of it. So the judge and sheriff would create their own policy that says, to the disabled person we don't allow you on any type of work program, so if you get let's say 10 days in jail, you are going to jail cause you ain't going to work it off. To the non-disabled individual you get to go home every night, on the work program. It sounds like that is the premise of it?
 

So you just throw Hopkins in there, but you have no idea whether he has any liability (or culpability or whatever)? Gee, that makes me think you know what you're talking about.
 

Hey post 8:28 it sounds like your saying you agree that the disability situation is problematic as we have described. Your only issue being Hopkins does or doesn't have any connection to the policy. The only statement made was if he does then be sure it gets addressed. That's it. Sounds right to me.
 

oh should I say..thank you Collin? Hell in the last 3 months there have been 8 different people in charge of this site....I personally feel honored to have been named!! I love you Lovelace! You know who I am!
 

Nope, that's not what I said. I do not necessarily disagree with the proposition that a program offered to the general public should also be made available to the disabled (if that can be reasonably accomplished). But nothing on this blog establishes that the SO is in fact unreasonably denying access to a disabled person. A conclusionary statement is not a factual basis. But then this blog doesn't seem to care much about facts, so I guess I'm not surprised.
 

Oh post 6:48 in fact that is exactly what the complaint and filing with the various agencies is about. It in fact is saying that the SO and the judges rulings are incompatible with ADA law and the rights of the disabled. That is the crux of what is being said. Now the further conversation could then be centered around what is reasonable. It is our belief, and in fact the various lawyers beliefs, and as we stated the ACLU,ADA, and 2 Sacramento Disabilities advocacy groups position that in fact what is happening in this regard is wrong, is unlawful and must be corrected. This is why the notifications to the BOS and counsel happened, this is why the state commission of judicial justice asked us to file a position with their offices concerning judge Martin and Mann. You can be as nebulous as you choose to be, as conclusionary vs perception of factual as you choose to be. However we believe what you will see in the near future is the sheriffs office will (and in fact we have proof of their reaction which will be presented in the near future) change and correct this policy, the individuals running the program will be removed, and the Sheriff Mitchell must be held accountable for putting the county at such risk. That dear friend is fact, Your statement concerning facts on this blog, is really you saying I simply don't like the facts.
 

And Yep that is what you said. Were glad you agree with our position based on the facts. Now if you want to say I agree with your position, if the facts bear out. Then say it that way, and don't dance around.
 

TO THE CITIZENS OF LAKE COUNTY AND THOSE SUPPORTING THIS EFFORT:

We have received word that today an individual reported to the Board of Supervisors and county counsel being present, that a significant issue of discrimination is occuring in the sentencing process against the disabled, this website, had reported earlier the details of this situation. The individual reporting this to the board was a public defender handling cases in the lake county superior court. We admire this individual for taking a stand, his moral compass and integrity is exactly what we must strive for in our local officials LE/DA and the public. Again none can disagree with the effort to ensure the disabled are treated fairly and with the same justice and options granted to others. As well this is occurring on Mitchells and Hopkins watch. The remedy and any discipline must include a mandate to ensure sheriff Mitchell and if applicable DA Hopkins are held accountable, this is on their watch. We ask who is watching the store? Where is the oversight of these organizations, now we see that they are putting the county at monetary risk. We call on county officials to give a full and public reporting as to the disposition now and final and the consequences effecting the individuals responsible for these actions.
 

During the course of the activity associated with our citizens group, we understand that we may at times cause difficulties and tough decisions come to light that have to be made. There will always be those who are effected either due to fear turning to anger, or emotional reactions that cause outbursts of negativity and lashing out. It should be noted that if we were to describe the aspects of the current disarray and condition of the local sheriffs/DA, and portions of county government that need to be changed corrected or stopped, there is not a single person in the general public or holding any office within the system that could deny the moral, ethical, and admirable situations that we want to correct. Let's list a few of those things for the sake of clarity. We want Mitchell and Hopkins out of office, given all the issues of leadership, management, execution of the offices they hold, their clarity and transparency which is non-existent and the litany of problems from Dinius to helicopters, etc etc. all with right thinking should be able to agree on their removal, either by vote or by outside and inside pressure to step down. You could not maintain credibility in any way if your position is that either Mitchell or Hopkins should remain in office. This is a goal.

We believe that in a just and open county the citizens and Law Enforcement should be able to work hand in hand in the community, we are, to say the, least far far from that. This is the direction we want to see the county move in. We ask why this rift had to happen, how did things get so out of control. This county and many others like it, are moving toward a joint custody if you will of the county that melds the citizens and its local law enforcement together for what we believe can be an effective and transparent relationship. No one can deny this must happen.

We want to be able to look very carefully at the level of Nepotism that exists in this county. The fact that we are a small county and these things will happen is not the point, the point is they can exist but the citizens of this county must have an absolute assurance of the honesty and transparency that should be in place.

The work being done to effect a positive and necessary change in the issue of disability sentencing. No one can deny that this must be corrected so that the equity and execution of this process is fair to all. No one can deny that assisting the disabled is in this situation an excellent goal.
It should be corrected, yes a few will catch some heat etc. But the fact of the matter is this happened, again, on Rodney Mitchells watch. None can disagree thatthis is the case.

We could go on. But here we say to those who disagree with us, perhaps it is method or approach you would question. Let's make a point here and hear this clearly. We remember back in the day when environmentalist were called communist, and druggies, and hippies, and socialist, and anti business, etc. Thank god for them or today there would not be a tree left in the state. Their methods were questioned over and over. You may think our approach to be misguided, we would suggest that you think again, and understand that we think very carefully about our process. We know it can cause some pain, and we know that people see this approach as somewhat untoward. It is difficult to break the initial ice, and a hard first hammering must start the process. Remember they drove metal stakes into redwood trees to stop them from being cut. But it gets better, we would ask the county to work with us not fear us, we would ask those in the public who do not like us, to not fear us. You can see our goals are admirable, in total they are far reaching and difficult to achieve, but they must and in the end they will.
 

here here i'll toast to that;)
keep on truckin guys
 

Thanks for the comment post 12:45, and we raise a toast to you!
 

Well its going to happen! I am to meet with the investigators next week. But I am told not to mention this! All the docs are truthful! I am sorry in advance to all of Lake Countians who will be affected by the outcome. If he/she was truthful in the first place!
I hate liars! But I know most of you will agree I did the right thing! I lost my job for being honest, it never had to do with retaliation.
 

You go post 1:55 keep us updated.
 

Well its going to happen! I am to meet with the investigators next week. But I am told not to mention this! All the docs are truthful! I am sorry in advance to all of Lake Countians who will be affected by the outcome. If he/she was truthful in the first place!
I hate liars! But I know most of you will agree I did the right thing! I lost my job for being honest, it never had to do with retaliation.
# posted by Anonymous : December 10, 2009 1:55 PM
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makes a difference to Me if You are Navarro or Beland...if you are either GOD BLESS YOU AND GETTING BACK WHAT WAS TAKEN FROM YOU.

YOUR FRIEND
SOUTH
 

Post 2:10 PM

I agree! God bless the good folks and I have so much faith in this blog, regardless that my own daughter keeps telling me I'm dreaming if I believe that a few people can make a dramatic change in the politics of Lake County. I tell her daily "I believe, I believe".
 

Thank you for your post 5:08, Tell your daughter great changes have already happened, if this site were to cease existence tomorrow we would have accomplished great things. The awareness level is high now, people are watching the beginnings of the citizens coming together for a common cause it is already underway. We have shown the light on several issues in the LE and court system, we are investigating many different matters. We have people on the inside working with us. Through that inside information we see that most all of the county government people are watching this website, and we understand that both Mitchell and Hopkins are watching as well. Indeed we are growing and you are not dreaming, tell her to pinch her self this is real, and we are making a difference. Thank you so very much for your support, and remember if you want to help us in ways other then this blog, send us a message to sheriffmitchellwatch@gmail.com. Please pass this site on to those who may not know about it and Keep the faith change is on the wind.
 

To Mr. Collins: Well kid, you got heart and balls I'll give ya that. Wonder how your employer feels about what you did.
 

From what I hear it had nothing to do with cajones, more like lack of common sense.
 

I was merely a watcher of this blog. I asked my own questions on the outside, did my own investigation from the information I obtained and I must say, this is so unbelivable and so enlightening at the same time. I met with a individual who had claimed to have evidence. This person was a total stranger but one who knew someone I hold high respect for and they put us together. The documentation came in by the box. After spending countless hours reading -questioning- and documenting alot of what this person had I truly have to say, I now believe there is and apparently has been a major problem within this county. The names I ran across dropped my jaw! Sorry administrator, I will be taking this information outside of this county. I would now trust no one or no office that holds a official position within this county. I have people outside the county who will be taking this information and believe me when I say, they know exactly what to do with it and how to handle it without having to be anonymous! Good Luck in your pursuit and at the end we will be one!
 

Sorry I didnt know how much room I had to leave a message, so to close I just want to add this. You are definetly on the right track! For the most part of what has been posted here using names is for the most part head on. I will say with a bit of stretch but the names and incidents are on target. And for those of you who have showed discontentment with what has been posted, you ought to really consider what people are saying and take it alot more seriously than you have been. From you Judges to the DA and some of the ADA's to all the local LE do you know who you can Trust? Sleep tight!
 

Like I said - you mooks are better then a jar of sea monkeys! Carry on, Secret Squirrel! Give 'em H-E-Double-toothpicks, Morocco Mole!
 

I show "discontentment" and your post is just more of the same drivel, probably from the same person. You don't show proof, because you have no proof to show. Repeating comments doesn't make them more accurate, it just makes them less credible. Surely there's some evidence out there you can post, something from the "mountains" of evidence you've collected that doesn't give your identity away and supports your claims no? Why not post it and shut me up? For some of you, that's what's known as a rhetorical question.

I was the poster from the other day, and a couple things I've noticed reading this blog. There is a profound lack of verifiable evidence. There is also a significant amount of editting and reposting that likely makes up about half of the 1800 comments that are here. Here's a novel idea, quit using the same worn out meme and provide facts. How about a copy of the "complaint" that was made to the state judical commission? How about the synopsis of the facts you used to support your complaint? Any of these items would silence your critics and give them nothing to use against you, but unfortunately for you, nothing even remotely close to a fact has been posted here that supports any claims of discrimination, racism or corruption. Zip, zilch, nada. Job well done /sarcasm.
 

Hey post 9:33 stop taking yourself so seriously, Go do something you feel you need to do for yourself, use your own methods for a cause you believe is right. We have had and will continue to have the ones who hate the site but always stay onboard, I guess its just a love hate thing huh. You should relax a bit, work with us, be more open minded.
 

Lovelace,,,We love you and everytime these neg. thugs come on we laugh! Hey they can not relax because they know they have been discovered....ROCK ON and we'll talk when Mommy comes back from Vegas!
 

Have you seen Talladega Nights?
 

# posted by Anonymous : December 10, 2009 9:33 PM

Yes sir. Post.
 

The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the iniquities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he, who in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee.
 

"We're on a mission from God."
 

someone has been watching a bit too much of "Pulp fiction"
 

Blues Brothers, actually. Because, and this is important, I am mocking you.
 

Man these corruption supporters don't even know the good movies,
 

Good mock by the way, they just didnt know you were doing it lol
 

Viva Las Vegas!!! have a good one
 

bye bye mommy mia, hope the thugs in LV don't get ya
 

Ya you are right golly you figured it all out, that was MIA, and Collins is running this website, golly you guys are so sharp, such keen investigative skills you have. By the way we are on guess number 8 on the hit parade, must be tearing you guys up not knowing who is running this system. In the past in Lake County everyone knew everyone else, so if someone started questioning things you could go on the attack. Little tougher not having a target to shoot at huh? Well get use to it, until we bring down the corruption supporters it will remain unknown, but when the time is right, we will stand right in front of your destroyed little kingdom, when all your power is gone and you will understand the concept of Robin Loxley.
 

It's Robin of Loxley. So now the purpose is to rob from the rich and give to the poor? Trigger, where's that pea shooter????
 

Our greatest advantage is in the underestimation by our opponents of our intellect. Their movements and actions are no only foreseen by our group, but as well they are moved and take action that is predictable based on what we want them to do, via information we distribute to the public as a whole.
 

We would have left your "fricken" post up, but to protect you from everyone seeing your ignorance it was removed, now if you want to try and post something with context to it, then do so. However one line post such as yours serving no purpose but to show your own lack of understanding is not good for you. So Glad we could help you out. Answer one question for us, you are not supporting Mitchell and Hopkins correct? This is your chance to show you have some sense of understanding. So here's your soap box, can you deliver anything of a solid communicative nature? Give it a shot.
 

Post 10:29 I think you read to many school books, I suspect you think columbus discovered America to huh? The true context of Loxley, is to right the wrongs in a corrupt system. Come on think a little deeper, I know we are stretching you, I mean with big words like pea shooter you really are on top of your intellectual game eh.
 

Personal attacks not associated with the facts and conditions we are working on as a citizens group, is not what we have requested of you, the question has been asked in the above posts, try communication, try following the thread. Come on we know you can do it. This is what needs to happen to change the makeup of the system in this county, you have to be on board or you become an outcast from the majority. Won't you join us in this cause. Or tell us why the cause is no good and all things should stay the same.
 

Oh I get it, personal attacks are ok just not when they are directed at you. Or maybe I hit too close to home and you had to delete it. I'm not saying things should remain the same, far from it, I said I didn't want someone as narcissistic as you, with your supreme intellect running things. So far all you do is run this blog which posts nothing but personal attacks with no facts to support anything you sling at someone. You seem to think your group has the arrows of transparency and justice yet your reasoning is skewed. Slings and arrows go along with your deep, communicative nature that you are so grandiose about. We all get that this is your soap box to pontificate to your heart's content but along with that you are hurting decent people, so how is that any better than what you are accusing Mitchell of?
 

So the answer to our question from what we can gleen through your triad and personal attacks, we think you slipped a couple of things in that we are talking about. You agree that things must change, and quoting you we are far from it or how we need to be. We did not get the Mitchell answer so if you think in terms of us not being the ones who are going to be the next sheriff, so we take the personal out of it. we would think you would agree that Mitchell and Hopkins must go. Just the reality of Dinius, of the Helicopter, the disability issues, the blood issues and testing issues of Dinus, just to name a few of the many issues, should cause any sane person to be able to agree that Mitchell must go and Hopkins must go. Now if you don't agree with that, you as well have to make the statement. Again we are not talking from the perspective of who should be the next sheriff just looking for agreement that as long as it is of course not another Mitchell, our current sheriff and DA need to be removed. That is the question being asked. You see if we can talk about this and leave out the personal attacks with points stuck inbetween. It works alot better, as you can see we did in this post.
 

Hey post 2:53 Did I see on here when the whole Gossett attack was being attempted not to bring up that subject but I am not sure I saw you jump in and say you shouldn't be doing that to those folks. So maybe you ought to climb off your soapbox, and put your foot down somewhere take a stand. I don't get the feeling you are God's gift to morality by any stretch of the imagination.
 

Why don't you Hopkins and or Mitchell start a blog in support of you and or him? That way you and those that agree with you would have someplace to do your postings without fear of having them deleted. Just think of the power and control you would have then.Think about it you would have control of the delete button. But there is no danger of that happening because those that can do and those that can't complain.
 

There doesn't appear to be deletion to me, except all the profane name calling stuff, or the posting to try and mess up the site,or just personal stuff verbal attacks hey from I can tell this is better then anything else including topix to bring talking out in the open. That's my two cents. I can tell you it aint easy keeping something like this going it would go to total chaos in days if no one moderated. Despite the constant complaining that has and will always be a part of these websites.
 

3:59 I agree, But if they had their own site then they could post their ideas, concerns, and solutions as they see them and invite others to contribute to them. The reason most of us don't respond to them here is because of their constant attempt to discredit the site and the moderator. So far they haven't offered any solutions or ideas as to a direction that the DA, LCSO, LE could take to make this site unnecessary.
 

So we never got an answer from our questions, we did get a sudden blitz of the old multiple post attack. Oh well you can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink.
 

Well, how do you know something was deleted if you never got a chance to read it?
 

The deletions in case you were not on line, was just another multiple post of the same thing over and over, The moderators can change the system to stop it, but prefer not to. Its been tried a bunch of times, so you didn't miss anything.
 

To post 4:42...this site has not offered any solutions either, just mere ramblings of obscure info and an ADA section 215, which doesn't exist. I choose not to vote, or put my foot down and take a stand until I am fully informed. The answer to your question, why don't I start a blog, because I am not your opponent. Also, why didn't I step in and speak up for the Gossetts, well I did say stop hurting decent people. Are you saying they are not decent? I don't know one way or the other since I don't know them personally. If you are only trying to shut down Hopkins and Mitchell why do you let all the other detrimental posts to various people that are not pertinant to this issue remain?
 

My post of 7:16 was in response to several other posts, not just 4:42.
 

7:16 When all the posts are signed anonymous how do we know it was you? In your last post you spoke for you, Hopkins and Mitchell. What does that say? Someone said this site is to gather information not provide you with answers. Remember when you said," I choose not to vote, or put my foot down and take a stand until I am fully informed" I'm sure you will be one of the first to know when we are "Fully Informed" and ready to put our foot down. Remember It's Ok to be Paranoid when you are being chased.
 

First of all post 7:16 glad to xee you on board and still posting, I had thought for a moment, that you were responsible for the multiple postings we had a short time ago. I am assuming you were not. please post those detrimental posts for us to examine, just find them and cut and paste them in. There is no reason we cannot discuss them. I will mention however we are in the middle of numerous undertakings, and some things we will not revel certain facts to, I hope that is understandable. You should be able to at least look at the leadership, actions, mistakes, and internal fighting which currently exists in the sheriffs department, and say without reservation that this man must go. In simplest terms that is what we are asking for. Beyond that anything can be discussed. From citizens oversight groups, that work in concert with the local LE, to complete transparency in the operations of both the sheriffs office and the DA's office.

You as well must remember that their are others who through the dictates of Mitchell and Hopkins became corrupt and deceitful in their operations. We have names and have exposed them, from Dutra to Frace to others, these are not minor infractions we have discussed not to mention Garzoli, and strange and bizarre connections to the DEA. All facts, let me without saying to much indicate this to you. Don't be surprised if actions by various individuals within the network that is Lake County are taking place in an investigative manner with the graces of certain positions in the county goverment.

All we are trying to say to you, is keep your mind open, trust that we are not doing slip shod work, and our goals are for the betterment of our county. Remember you focus to much on the 215 aspect of the illegal disability sentencing we are investigating. The most recent cases are full fledged ADA qualified non 215 individuals, so the argument holds little water when presented with these facts.

We do appreciate your last post are we are glad you do not see us as an opponent. Lastly you must understand that we are not able to control all of the emotional opinions that come on the system. It is difficult at best, to keep the thread flowing and constructive. We are thankful to all those who have posted constructive and clear comments, from what ever side of the fence you are on.
 

In what way is allowing anonymous persons to post random accusations against various SO deputies, unsupported by even the slightest evidence other then the accusation itself, useful? In what way is the DA's office corrupt? What is strange and bizarre about the SO having connections to the DEA, which is a Federal agency with overlapping jurisdiction?
 

Seriously, I'd like to know, because you just seem to make pronouncements without really explaining anything. I can believe that there are problems with local government entities, but frankly I am having a hard time figuring out what you are trying to get at.
 

Well post 10:18, those are all good questions. You must remember that even when a site eays you have to post your name, it doesn't matter, they simply use a false name. That aspect of things will not change, what we choose to do is ensure that the people posiing are secure in their postings. Next please understand we are not running off willy nilly, there are many postings to our e mail account that we discount as not valid. Were not running around like a bunch of fanatics with an unclear objective and direction. You must recognize that you have internal issues with so's and many others, you must recognize that travesty of the Dinius trial, and the connection to both Hopkins and Mitchell. We don't need to go into the details here, they are all documented. You must understand, that Hopkins> As time goes on, we will indicated what the connections are between the DEa and the Sheriffs office, you already have significant indications of that with the relationships of Garzoli, and the DEA and Burkhart, and the sheriffs cars that were at the DEA raid in Upper Lake, and well we can go on and on, don't try to minimize the connections to the DEA. You must remember we are talking about in some cases vendetta's attacks against certain individuals that at this time we are not going to revel. No they do not have that directive anymore the Obama administration has indicated to all DEA and FBI for example to back off. The question has always been the separation of state vs federal authority. Eddie Lepp is an example of that situation. So we have to be careful that the federal authorities do not override their authority any more then necessary. You must understand we do not loose our freedoms in one giant step, but we loose them one small step at a time. Do not be so rigid in your approach, we are not here to destroy anything, but to replace it with a better way, you cannot deny the need of that.
 

Why do you refuse to recognize the myriad of examples of corruption and poor leadership we through actual facts we have described. Come on man, your getting boring in your denials. Step up to the god dam plate!!
 

Why do you refuse to recognize the myriad of examples of corruption and poor leadership we through actual facts we have described. Come on man, your getting boring in your denials.
 

You say "myriad examples of corruption," I say unsubstantiated gossip. Just because people post stories does not mean the stories are true. Besides the Dinius trial, what is your issue with the DA's office? I understand that for a lot of people the Dinius case is enough, that's a valid position of course, but you keep hinting that there's other stuff but I can't find any clear allegation besides the Dinius case. I still don't get the issue with the DEA either. Ok, they're Feds, but why is that significant? Since Mr. Lepp was convicted in Federal court I presume the Feds had jurisdiction, cause his attorney would probably have mentioned it to the judge if the Feds did not have jurisdiction. I actually kind of expect the SO to have connections with and work with the DEA. Why is that bad?
 

Why do you refuse to recognize the myriad of examples of corruption and poor leadership we through actual facts we have described. Come on man, your getting boring in your denials.




this blog may or may not have some accurate accounts, seems some just have jumped on the chance to vent their getting nailed for doing wrong comined witth legit concerns makes it hard for the average Joe to get the real handle on the exact complaints up against the crybabies contast criminal.hope it gets more apparent who is who so far I only see innuendos
 

Well post 10:18, those are all good questions. You must remember that even when a site eays you have to post your name, it doesn't matter, they simply use a false name. That aspect of things will not change, what we choose to do is ensure that the people posiing are secure in their postings. Next please understand we are not running off willy nilly, there are many postings to our e mail account that we discount as not valid. Were not running around like a bunch of fanatics with an unclear objective and direction. You must recognize that you have internal issues with so's and many others, you must recognize that travesty of the Dinius trial, and the connection to both Hopkins and Mitchell. We don't need to go into the details here, they are all documented. You must understand, that Hopkins> As time goes on, we will indicated what the connections are between the DEa and the Sheriffs office, you already have significant indications of that with the relationships of Garzoli, and the DEA and Burkhart, and the sheriffs cars that were at the DEA raid in Upper Lake, and well we can go on and on, don't try to minimize the connections to the DEA. You must remember we are talking about in some cases vendetta's attacks against certain individuals that at this time we are not going to revel. No they do not have that directive anymore the Obama administration has indicated to all DEA and FBI for example to back off. The question has always been the separation of state vs federal authority. Eddie Lepp is an example of that situation. So we have to be careful that the federal authorities do not override their authority any more then necessary. You must understand we do not loose our freedoms in one giant step, but we loose them one small step at a time. Do not be so rigid in your approach, we are not here to destroy anything, but to replace it with a better way, you cannot deny the need of that.
 

please post those detrimental posts for us to examine, just find them and cut and paste them in. There is no reason we cannot discuss them. I will mention however we are in the middle of numerous undertakings, and some things we will not revel certain facts to, I hope that is understandable. You should be able to at least look at the leadership, actions, mistakes, and internal fighting which currently exists in the sheriffs department, and say without reservation that this man must go. In simplest terms that is what we are asking for. Beyond that anything can be discussed. From citizens oversight groups, that work in concert with the local LE, to complete transparency in the operations of both the sheriffs office and the DA's office.

You as well must remember that their are others who through the dictates of Mitchell and Hopkins became corrupt and deceitful in their operations. We have names and have exposed them, from Dutra to Frace to others, these are not minor infractions we have discussed not to mention Garzoli, and strange and bizarre connections to the DEA. All facts, let me without saying to much indicate this to you. Don't be surprised if actions by various individuals within the network that is Lake County are taking place in an investigative manner with the graces of certain positions in the county goverment.
 

I was merely a watcher of this blog. I asked my own questions on the outside, did my own investigation from the information I obtained and I must say, this is so unbelivable and so enlightening at the same time. I met with a individual who had claimed to have evidence. This person was a total stranger but one who knew someone I hold high respect for and they put us together. The documentation came in by the box. After spending countless hours reading -questioning- and documenting alot of what this person had I truly have to say, I now believe there is and apparently has been a major problem within this county. The names I ran across dropped my jaw! Sorry administrator, I will be taking this information outside of this county. I would now trust no one or no office that holds a official position within this county. I have people outside the county who will be taking this information and believe me when I say, they know exactly what to do with it and how to handle it without having to be anonymous! Good Luck in your pursuit and at the end we will be one!
 

In response to post 12/11/09 at 10:08
It is clear that there were no questions asked of Mia. It is clear that the corrupt of the LCSO didn't need to ask questions about something they were guilty of and knowledgable about. No questions needed to be asked of Mia because they already knew the answer and were well invested in the child porn. Wiley, the juvenile defense attorney, was caught for having child porn in the courthouse, (on a thumb drive that he was sharing) twice, not just once. WIley got a light sentence because he was one of the child porn sources. Meanwhile the children of the porn got life sentences because the corrupt of the LCSO deals with child porn and distributes it and anyone who gets in their way will go the way of Mia. Any poster who attacks Mia is probably an accomplice to the child porn of the LCSO.
Brave women are brave and Mia represents any parent who wants to keep children safe. She put her life on the line to save children.
A recent poster by the name of "Red" said that he knew Wiley and that Wiley left office in disgrace. These children the victim of child porn never make it to any office, they most likely end up in a ditch or out on the streets. The corrupt of the LCSO don't really care, these children are a product and a tool to the corrupt LCSO. All of those in the LCSO who know about it and do nothing are cowards and put your children at risk.
This forum was expressly created to expose the corrupt and wasn't put together by Mia.
There are numerous and valid concerns and not all victims have access to computers, so this thumbnail expose shows that there is a bigger picture that most of the population of Lake county and the State of California doesn't see. That doesn't mean it doesn't exist and anyone who posts facts about the corruption or illegal activities of Mitchell and the LCSO here or at the gmail address benefit us all. It isn't a right to post, it is a responsibility.
 

You are spot on post 8:30, and in fact we have had and continue to have offline conversations and communications with MIA. This situation is impossible to detail in a short post, but to say the least where there is smoke there is fire, and folks there is a lot of smoke in lake county
 

Since you bring up Wiley that raises another question: Why does no one seem to care about the corruption in the Public Defenders? Wiley was hired on the Public Defender office when he had the child porn so the county was paying him basically to carry that filth into court! And most of the public pretenders never and I mean never visit the clients at the jail they just talk to them when they show up handcuffed in court. Some do visit but most don't - ask anyone at the jail. A public defender was just removed from a murder case recently because the judge said he didn't have the experience to do a murder case. That was obvious to everyone when he was given the case but Carter gave him the case anyway. A couple years ago the Grand jury reamed Carter and the way he ran the Public Defenders so the BOS took the contract away and then GAVE IT BACK! That's because he is buddies with Rob Brown everyone at the courthouse knows about this. Carter keeps most of the money from the contract and he doesn't take hardly any cases. Mostly when he's in court he is being paid outside the public defenders, he has more cases where he is paid then he does public cases. All he does for the public defenders mostly is sign their checks because it is a contract not a office so he can't tell them what to do or advise them or anything they are private cointractors not afirm.
 

And don't think the DA does not love having Carter run the contract the way he does! Why is lake the only county that does not have a real Public Defender office? is it because Carter would lose a lot of money and his pals on the BOS protect him? Is it because if there was a real office Carter would not be qualified to run it? And he couldnt take private cases?
 

Oh and BTW Doug Rhodes a public defender who is running for DA his daughter is married to Joe Dutra who has lots of posts about how corrupt he is so good luck get rid of Hopkins and end up with a guy whose just as corrupt!
 

The taliban are watching us, we are divided and this is how America will fall. I hate to say it, white men and women are greedy, and not honest people!
Yes I am caucasian!
 

This blog has not changed my mind. It has not provided me with one fact to help me change my mind. I will continue to support Mitchell and Hopkins. No facts have been presented to say that these top law enforcement officers have broken one law or moral code. This blog is swamped with LIES and fabricated stories about people and their character.
 

To post 9:25 well of course nothing changes your mind, we already know that all ignorance can't be removed from the small minority of people who despite everything presented, will still say, I don't care I think Mitchell and Hopkins are great, and I am going to vote for them no matter what. That level of ignorance cannot be overcome, thank god it is a small minority and thank god the citizens and good people of this site have the intellect to see bbeyond the small world you mind lives in.
 

Doug Rhodes did announce he is running for the DA position, we do not support Rhodes, and all information we have gathered indicates he does not have a chance of getting enough votes. In the long run Rhodes will actually not run for the position. There have been meetings with Anderson, with various different entities in the county concerning his running for the DA position, and there are others contemplating running. I wouldn't settle with the idea that who you see running for the sheriff and DA at the current time are all that are going to be in the elections. You will find in due time others 2 of which we know of will step up to the plate.

There is enough dirt on Rhodes to bury a battleship.
 

Post 8:53 and 8:56 you are spot on, and in fact that situation is being looked at, we were not going to mention that as of yet, but in fact what you state is another straw that is breaking the camels back. It all adds up in the long run.
 

So what there are some back room meetings going on to see who should run for DA and sheriff? Isn't that EXACTLY THE PROBLEM! The illusion of choice they want you to have!
 

The only indications are not that someone is having back room meetings, but an ongoing dialog, and communications concerning the potential and electability of certain interests. For example, Markham is in the news as we have already eluded to in regards to the sheriff position. We have a direct report from an inside individual that Mitchell went through the roof when he heard of this potential. So now you have a better view of what we are talking about. Yes there are always going to be facts and information we are not going to let out until the individuals agree, and or the situation warrants it. Sorry that some of you think we should just give all the information we have no matter when we have it or what it has connections to.
It just doesn't work that way. Have for example the BOS told you that there may be multiple individuals working on the Garzoli investigation, individuals from our local committee. If that is the case, do you feel they must tell you up front, of course not, however information can be attained and in fact we have much of it, however we do not simply release everything just because you say you want it now. We are the ones doing the work the investigations the communications we are the ones putting out the effort, you complain while you sit on the couch and utilize this communications system we have set up. You are welcome to comment here, but don't bite the hand that feeds you. Remember it is what you don't know about a situation that will come back to surprise you right when you have established your position on things, so be careful or you'll get burned.
 

Is it a COINCIDENCE that the only candiddates running against Hopkins are Rhoades and Anderson? Rhodes is PART OF THE PROBLEM! He is part of the system - ex sheriff for years and part of the public Defenders for years; son in law is Dutra! How many people are rotting in prison because of Doug Rhoades? More than are there because of Hopkins? How about Anderson/ Also ex-sheriff! He still represents lots of cops when they get the divorce after they cheat on their wifes. He has never run an office or been a prosecutor - neither has Rhoades. Hand picked by the GOBs to split the anti-Hopkins vote and to force people to vote for Hopkins because they are not able to run an office because no experience. Same story with Rivero - see Mitchell's glowing reports on Rivero, all of a sudden he's on the outs? Comes up with story about profiling that Mitchell easily demolishes by showing he never had a problem before? He denies on tape there was a problem! Yeah he's a great candidate! So the back room GOBS have already chosen the candidates to make sure the incumbents win and now you say there are more back room deals going on to chose more candidates to split the vote more I suppose! Thanks but no thanks.
 

Are you saying 10:41 that the BOS is using your local committee to investigate the SO? What local committee is that? I had not previously heard that. Do you have powers of subpena? What powers or authority do you have? Can you compel witnesses to talk to you? Can you get business records from the SO? What exactly are you investigating and by whose authority?
 

To point out a few problems with your remarks about Rivero. Yes Mitchell confronted Rivero's complaints of racism, but don't you find it strange that Mitchell NEVER mentioned the EEOC investigation? He never said the EEOC complaint was UNFOUNDED or even if it is done or its status? My fellow deputies told me all the interviews had been completed several months ago. Now I hear Morshed also filed racism complaints. Wow, now it's 2 sergeants, 2 deputies and a attorney. If another sergeant comes forward with more, the town might think of hanging Mitchell.
 

Where does the Grand Jury fit into all this?
 

To post 12:01, it is getting so hard to crack through that hard head of yours. Ok so lets try it again, no one said and you can re-read our post that there is a committee working with the BOS that is comprised of people who are running this site. Now that you have that figured out, what we said was there is and are internal investigations going, on, you do not know about them we do. Period, no we are not going to tell you about the details of this, nor are we aware because the BOS is working with us. We have inside people who assist us, again period. We are doing the work, we are investigating, you are not, enjoy the citizens website, but do not except us to worry about your trivial requests for inside information, when the time s right we let out information, and this method will continue. So relax enjoy posting and get use to it.
 

Shocking - Mitchell didn't mention an investigation which is apparently (according to Dan Noyes) ongoing? Gosh, can't think of an explanation for that. And Morshed? Please. He should have been fired when he was caught boinking a file clerk in his patrol car while on duty a couple years ago. I am not saying the SO is without problems, but I personally need more then belated allegations from the guy who is running for Sheriff, his campaign manager, the guy who runs the campaign website, and a freaking public defender from Vallejo.
 

to post 10:43, you must have missed the post prior to yours, Rhodes was discussed and to but it out there briefly, Rhodes will not be your next DA, as we wrote there is enough dirt on him to bury a bus. We are aware of several other people who will step into the ring later on. No you don't get to know who those people are. But they will step in when they think it is time, and they will not be clones of Rodney or Hopkins. For example ask Rodney why he flipped out when Markham suggested he may run for sheriff.
 

Post 1:00 well you are getting closer to reality, at least you confess the problems in the sheriffs department, so we are getting closer. Now if we can continue to pull you out of your delusions you soon will agree in its simplest form that Rodney and Hopkins must go, and their replacement must not be a clone of the two. That you must be able to agree with huh?
 

Don't forget about the Dinius trial. Perdock lied about being at a bar, drinking the day of the accident and accessed the report when told not too. Morshed said the PAS units had not be calibrated in over a year, but Mitchell's report on the Sheriff's website showed they were. Mitchell allows several sergeants to conduct the investigation without calling Napa or Sonoma's boat patrol to take over the investigation. Then the big question, WHERE IS PERDOCK AND IF HE IS ON ADMINISTRATIVE LEAVE WITH PAY, WHY DID THIS HAPPEN AFTER THE TRIAL...
 

Mitchell
said there's a cost associated with flying for marijuana, but added,
“At no time did I ever authorize the use of a helicopter specifically
for training purposes.”
So there was no intention to have an in-house pilot in the sheriff's office? Farrington asked.
“Not based on these circumstances, no,” Mitchell replied.
Had
Mitchell's department taken any disciplinary action in response to the
situation? Farrington asked. Mitchell said he couldn't answer that
because it's a personnel issue.
Since
the forced landing, Garzoli's rank has changed from lieutenant to
sergeant, but the change in rank wasn't addressed at Tuesday's meeting.
Issues raised about transparency

She //Grant
also found certain unexplained expenses, such as a flight suit that
cost just over $400.“It is unclear why, since several deputies were
involved in this program, only one flight suit was purchased,” Grant
wrote in her report.“Additionally, this same individual put in claims
for boot repair, flight suit alterations, and gloves.”

Grant was unable to confirm absolutely on Tuesday whether that flight suit and gear was specifically for Garzoli.
 

Garzoli's
log book showed that he began helicopter flight training in 1995, with
24 training dates taking place from that year through 2004.

There
are no further notations until 2008, when 42 training dates were
logged, including 37 which were logged beginning in September with
Cutting Edge Helicopter's R44 helicopter, according to Grant.

For
2009, Grant found 23 training dates between March and June, with the
first reference to law enforcement noted on March 9 and the first
notation on marijuana entered on April 28.

She
said that in a separate printout that she received before getting the
actual log book, she said almost every one of the log book's remarks
and procedures notations included reference to marijuana eradication,
beginning in 1995.
 

Sep 1, 2009

BOS voted to have outside agency came in and do a complete investigation on all DEA activity in reference to LCSO and Helicopter. Also, to bring in outside expert analysis to go over all accounting! A forensic accountant will be retained to figure out the mountain of log book information per order of an unanimous BOS. The BOS then changed their attention from a investigation to a audit? Is it true Garzoli has obtained Peace Officer Council? If True why would Garzoli need Council? Why did the BOS change their vote to do a complete investigation on all DEA activity in reference to LSCO and the Helicopter to just a audit? In reference to the "Helicopter Unit" in the LCSO. Who knew what? And when did who know it?
 

Can you please provide the link that states what Grant and said about Garzoli?
 

The marijuana should not be the issue here. Concentrate on the mismanagement of Mitchell's people. The DEA money was to go after marijuana and not helicopter training on tax payer's money. How would you feel if it was a grant from the US Forest Service to have a helicopter for tracking bear and deer. Than you find out instead that the county is using that service to teach a county employee to fly a helicopter. You are supposed to be LOOKING for bear and deer or MARIJUANA, not at practicing how to fly!
 

4:07 sound like a collaboration of the brain trusts of Gary Frace, John Gregore and Elvis Cook.
 

The deputies at the LCSO used that piece of equipment to pull more weed than any other county in the entire state. Sounds like a very good use of funds. Further if the grant funds were used to train a pilot, the County could then use it's own pilot rather than hire one. So perhaps the training of a pilot would be a cost savings rather than something evil as you are saying. There are numerous Law Enforcement pilots out there who received on the job training.
 

The county is more worried about liability and setting some sort of precedent by allowing it to happen. Liability makes them run scared on everything short of a paper cut. Just ask those that have been or are out or on light duty due to injury on the job. County Counsel is gifted to have attorneys that also are practicing physicians, at least that's the perception they put forth. Wanna bet any of those turkeys have med school in their resumes? Employees get treated like dirt by them and the county's comp carrier reps.
 

http://lakeconews.com/index2.php?option=com_content&do_pdf=1&id=10136
 

December 12, 2009 4:20 PM Can you please provide the link that states what Grant and said about Garzoli? http://lakeconews.com/index2.php?option=com_content&do_pdf=1&id=10136
 

One of the biggest issues is a complete lack of transparency. We have inter family connections and nepotism to a degree that no citizen can be sure what the forces are causing some of these decisions, and this corruption. Garzoli had a grand plan all along, its down the tubes now, but his long term idea was using his license to get out of the Sheriffs Department, and work in bigger cities loading and unloading on high rises and other commercial uses of a helo. Garzoli was doing it on the county's and taxpayers dime. It would not have been long was he got the qualification level he wanted, then it was goodbye county.
 

It has been brought to my attention that there is the recording of Garzoli discussing a career change, I have it on the way to me, will find a way to post it, some have I believe already heard or know of it. Will post when I have copy.
 

I am still not sure what problem you see with the DA, other than the Dinius case (and again, I acknowledge that may be enough for some people) There are a couple ways to look at that, I suppose, and what I see is a DA who took a case he surely knew was politically unpopular to trial. Do you want a DA who is going to let his decisions on cases be influenced by the pre-trial publicity generated by the defense? What other corruption exists in the DA's office, or is it just that one case?
 

7:19, what exactly do you mean by nepotism? I mean what situations do you think are influencing decisions (or potenially influencing) in the SO and DA? Please let me know.
 

To post 7:19 jezzzz man come on I shouldn't have to list out all the family connections if you haven't been on the blog go back in the archives and you can find it to your hearts content, Just for a couple of items, in case you need some promptings, look at judge Martins, he has family from the SO to the DA, you do realize one of Rodneys latest kiss ups is Martins son right, You do know of the Dutra realtionships, man we can on and on and on and that is just one person, again, we have listed them all and all of it on record, but you get the jist in a short post.
 

Everyone out there understands that this citizens group has not endorsed anyone in regards to the elections, with the exception of the understanding that Mitchell and Hopkins are gone. Period, their replacements as well shall not be clones. To whoever new ends up in those positions the citizens of this county will ensure this is the beginning of transparency and that certain communication guidelines and and relationships will be established with the new leadership of these offices. And we welcome all of you to join us in this movement to find the justice and honesty that is necessary and demanded. The generation of time that has established this network of corruption and chaos has run its course, it has taken many many years for this out of control situation to form, it is entrenched in some of the people, we see some of them in such denial posting on this forum. But the time has come and even if we drag you down the road kicking and screaming it is going to happen.
 

I agree! God bless the good folks and I have so much faith in this blog, regardless that my own daughter keeps telling me I'm dreaming if I believe that a few people can make a dramatic change in the politics of Lake County. I tell her daily "I believe, I believe".


Thank you for your post 5:08, Tell your daughter great changes have already happened, if this site were to cease existence tomorrow we would have accomplished great things. The awareness level is high now, people are watching the beginnings of the citizens coming together for a common cause it is already underway. We have shown the light on several issues in the LE and court system, we are investigating many different matters. We have people on the inside working with us. Through that inside information we see that most all of the county government people are watching this website, and we understand that both Mitchell and Hopkins are watching as well. Indeed we are growing and you are not dreaming, tell her to pinch her self this is real, and we are making a difference. Thank you so very much for your support, and remember if you want to help us in ways other then this blog, send us a message to sheriffmitchellwatch@gmail.com. Please pass this site on to those who may not know about it and Keep the faith change is on the wind.
 

What happened to Perdock? In law enforcement, credibility is key to performance, Mitchell said. “We don't keep anyone with credibility issues any more.”
 

Helicopter posting:
Why can you not see the problem? Garzoli, at the time a lieutenant, would be the LAST person to be a pilot for the department. Then, the BOS had made it clear long ago that a helicopter for the sheriff's office was a "no". This happened about 15 years ago when LCSO had the opportunity to get two helicopters from the Army for free. Then the jumping around about if Mitchell knew Garzoli was receiving training. MY GOD, HIS FLIGHT SUIT HAS "PILOT" PRINTED IN THE FRONT." And what about the suit itself? Why only Garzoli has one paid by the grant and why was his shoes repaired under the DEA grant. Det. Brooks has a flight suit, but he paid for it himself and it doesn't say PILOT on it. Again, why a lieutenant when even Sacramento and Sonoma Sheriff's don't use a lieutenant as a pilot.
 

“We don't keep anyone with credibility issues any more.”
Oh come on! The helicopter crash, Morshed's testimony in the Dinius case? How about the racism remarks. Either Ward and Chwekowski lied or Rivero did, but none had been disciplined. I would not be surprised if another deputy comes forward with more bad stuff soon.
 

NOTICE TO CITIZENS GROUP FOR THE CAUSE OF JUSTICE.

We posted recently a notification that we were to receive a audio file concerning Garzoli, essentially it is a recording from Sep. of this year in the midst of he helo incident, in was captured from a phone call Garzoli made to a career counselor on KGO radio, seeking advice on how to change to a different line of work using the skills the tax payers funded. We will be posting this recorded call today, for all to hear, we will provide a link or allow instant opening of the file on this page. Remember this is Garzoli after the crash, looking around for an out, I suspect he did not think anyone would hear it, let alone record it. We will post the full recording today sometime.
 

We have a page bump this morning, so after you post you may click on the newest button and it will take you to the latest posting and the start of the new thread, we will correct the thread flow later today.
 

Thank you for this forum. Yes, a great deal can be accomplished by only ONE person, but when we join forces for the good of the community and the education of us all it is the best of the USA. Free speech is the first ammendment for a reason. Keep up the good work and you have been a God send.
 

To post 10:23 Martin is where he's at because he's smart, thinks on his feet and can make a decision without having to think about it forever. His wife is good at what she does also. County jobs yes. They were hired on their merits as individual people and not because Brian's dad is a judge. To think different shows you don't know them. You just use them as a tool to sound off on other self agendized issues. I fully expect you to delete this because in the past you've shown with other posts your narrow mindedness in leaving them up.
 

Well you are incorrect post 9:21 as you actually posted a solid non-profane post, now with the exception of your narrow mindedness comment not to bad. We wish we could take your word for the wonderful honest beautiful people the Martin connection folks are, but you must remember we have heard other input that doesn't quite add up the same. If in fact following our investigations we were to find that these folks are just great as you say then that would be a different story. We have been following up on a number of things in this area, and one of the issues appears to be Brian's connection being a bit to close to Mitchell for our comfort and for the necessary transparency to establish a clear and honest presentation of the situation. Nepotism in a system this small is very dangerous, and the citizens must know of every connection who the players are and put notice out that these situations and the activities of these people must be watched carefully. It is as simple as that as far as where we are right now. Tell your friends if they to will learn to stop their repetitive posts, name calling, profane language and overall 6th grade presentations they will be afforded the same speech freedoms as you just did.
 

Can someone please tell me what Sergeant Towsand did. If she did not accomidate someones marijuiana issues while they were in custody that was the right thing to do. The last thing we as citisens want is those criminals in jail smoking marijuana. What a joke would that be. So can you please explain how this is an American with Disibilities Act issue?
 

TOWSAND DOES A FINE JOB....they just like to go after the people who do their jobs
 

I believe that Brian Martin was hired by the SO before his father became a judge, at a time when his father was still working in Mendocino County at the DA's office there. I do know that Judge Martin does not hear cases in which his son is involved. By the same token, Doug Rhoades does not take cases in which his son-in-law, Joe Dutra, is involved. It is difficult for me to see how the mere fact of the relationship, without more, is a problem. Is there some evidence that Judge Martin favors the SO because of his son? Is there some evidence that he favors the DA's office because his daughter-in-law works at Victim-Witness? If that was the case, shouldn't whichever defense attorney is involved have raised the issue? Has any defense attorney ever raised the issue? If yes, what happened? If no, then either the defense attorneys are not doing their jobs or there's nothing happening. Anyone who says there is no smoke without fire has clearly never had a wood-burning stove.
 

I posted the reason but as usual they removed it,hope you got the oppurtunity to read it, I did not slant the posting it was what itwas

Can someone please tell me what Sergeant Towsand did. If she did not accomidate someones marijuiana issues while they were in custody that was the right thing to do. The last thing we as citisens want is those criminals in jail smoking marijuana. What a joke would that be. So can you please explain how this is an American with Disibilities Act issue?
# posted by Anonymous : December 13, 2009 9:45 AM
 

For everyones edification The disability situation of the individual mentioned in the original post is full blown disabled, not 215, none the less, the other question is SGT. Townsend, she is the individual running the work program for Mitchell. We believe that in the next week or so if not already, Townsend will and has been talked to and or removed from that position, if this has not happened yet, it will occur shortly. However as we have already posted this is Mitchells gig, This is his department, and he is responsible for these illegal actions. Hope that clarifies the Townsend question.
 

In the last county I lived in their was numerous realated people and the judge and son and daughter in alw were all in the judicial system O'Mallies were well known and operated all their careers without one suspicion of favoring one case over another so I know it would seem the same type of business practice is being done here in a small county. I know one of Our judges openly stated to the defendant that the DDA in the case He performed her marriage ceremony and while it would not haamper his decision in the case He wants to make it known, I find that very above board.
 

Well thanks post 10;00 you have listed several of the questions we want answered, this is what an investigation is, these are the things we want to uncover, glad to see you are on board with us in our inquiries. As you can see the fact we are bringing up these concerns is so they can be looked at and checked out. We are informing you of these concerns and and then moving forward with inside and outside help to confirm or eliminate our concerns.

Here are the questions you posted we have many more we are looking at but these are on our list.

Is there some evidence that Judge Martin favors the SO because of his son? Is there some evidence that he favors the DA's office because his daughter-in-law works at Victim-Witness? If that was the case, shouldn't whichever defense attorney is involved have raised the issue? Has any defense attorney ever raised the issue? If yes, what happened?
 

We have one incident we are looking carefully at involving Judge Martin and a case concerning public citizen and the Sheriffs office, Martin ruled aganist the citizens and for the sheriffs, in this situation it was appealed and in fact in the appeal Judge Martin was ruled against. Now this is an example, of what we want to look at. Again when we say we are looking at a situation as we have so clearly stated, it does not mean we have come to a conclusion. However it does mean we a suspicious of potential problems, and therefore it will be looked at. This is called transparency.
 

help me please to understand You say...... For everyones edification The disability situation of the individual mentioned in the original post is full blown disabled
that being said how in the world did the person in question committ a crime? that being said...don't you feel that anyone no matter what doing something illegal should not get a pass.....again help me understand...Your site has enlighened me more than I have told you...help me again thanks...
 

To post 10:26 there are many many ways a disabled person can commit a crime, heck you could roll up in a wheel chair with a gun and rob a bank. Not that this was the case, however, you can get in fights, steal, etc etc. and remember being granted work duty is not a pass, it is just another method of serving time, and remember if you don't have the money or can't make payments you in the current condition will go to jail. Period, but not the rest of the un-disabled citizens only those with a disability.
 

It is very simple actually it is hard to imagine these anti disability people being so hateful of those who are worse off then them, we all do things we wish we hadn't, but to unfairly punish the disabled in this manner is simply wrong. If you don't like the disabled or thing they should not be treated with the same fair justice, just say so, but also tell us what has happened to cause you to dislike the disabled so much.
 

being without fund many without disabilities also go to jail correct? I am considered disable but would not expect a pass on time served via the AWP although it would be an option as I am not wheel chair person, I cannot off the top of my head think of a AWP job a totally disabled person could do that would meet the cirteria of their rules and job description
thanks for the input
ED
 

I have a recomendation to use marijuana. I have accute color response. I got arrested and sent to jail for 60 dasys and they made me wear orange which makes me sick. They then denied my recomendation taht said I need marijuana to ease the pain from me and all the other inmates wearing orange which which gave me a headache.

I know another inmate who had to rest all day because he was not allowed to smoke. Jail is not caring for the ill as they should.
 

I don't dislike as I said I am legally disable, I guess the rub comes when one of My fellow Disabled person makes it a crutch to lean on instead of being accountable for their decision to go awry
 

Marijuana is not a drug. It is medicine and I am being treated by a budmaster for accute color response
 

This is funny you guys are concentrating way to much on your pot phobia, get over it. We are talking about the functioning of the sentencing system. Not the details of each disabled person, we do not want to have the page turn into a pro or against pot discussion as that is not our purpose. However for those who were discriminated against regardless of your condition you have options in regards to these rulings to protect yourself, in due time the opportunity for evoking those actions will be in place. The county will provide any number of means for the disabled on a work program, from non-sensitive filing, to clean up work in the court house, to helping out supervisors in their offices it goes on and on what could be established to be able to fairly treat these disabled folks. That is what we are asking for. Remember there is a huge amount of money being spent housing these folks who could be on work duty. This is going to come about by the way the wheels are already in motion on a county level to ensure this happens, the investigations into the judges sentencing will take longer through the commission we have already mentioned.
 

By the way ED thanks for your posting, clear concise and good communication.
 

10.47 Welcome I do have my sane moments of grandure LOL a lot of good dialogue this morning.
 

Again this is not a forum for the pro's and con's of pot use, that will have to be another venus, we are talking about the corruption of the Sheriffs office and the DA's office and the huge number of issues therein. Perhaps in due time we can go down yes or no of pot use. But there are so many avenues to discuss that on, we do not want to fill the pages with that at this time.
 

Nuff said I am silent
ED
 

am I correct that KPFZ had Hopkins on the radio yesterday, and allowed no call ins for questions etc. A closed comment political rant allowed by Hopkins and allowed by KPFZ, without community input? Please someone confirm with me this situation. If in fact this is the case, we need to question the motives of our community radio, payed for by the citizens, it appear that if this is the case Tim, Andy and others are using our public radio to further their political cause, they must be brought to task for this if in fact what is described is the case. Where are your alliances Tim, Andy, what is going on here. We don't want to hear the excuse of oh ya well we are going to do another show that allows call ins. That don't fly.
 

Thanks Ed ya a lot of good dialog this morning, it is good to see the communications improving, and it allows for far greater information output and understanding, we hope we can bring others to contribute in this manner. Thanks for your input. By the way don't be silent now on us, you have great stuff to contribute we welcome it.
 

By the way you can get directly to the last post on the thread before posting till we change the page thread, by clicking on newest prior to your post, or clicking newest after your post either way.
 

By the way to the LESO who was posing the "twit" comments concerning the public defender who brought the disability issue before the BOS and to counsel.
We had mentioned we knew who you were, we want to re-address that for a moment. You are in Dept. 2 of course, sitting on the left hand side of the court room, might be wise to hit the gym don't ya think that fluffy court duty isn't doing much for the old figure. Each day within that very court room you are being watched. By whom can only be a matter of your own conjecture but I would offer this advise be careful with your trust, there are people within your working environment who understand the need for change, and our working with us to that end.

We by the way have all names now of the individuals who were attempting to take down the website, via their constant posting several weeks ago, we will not revel those names, there were 3 of you, and perhaps another, again within your ranks and personnal associations are individuals who are working for our cause, we would extend the same caution to you as our "twit" poster above.
 

IN RESPONSE: What happened to Perdock? In law enforcement, credibility is key to performance, Mitchell said. “We don't keep anyone with credibility issues any more.”

My god I think he really needs to watch his own words. Mitchell first said he knew about Garzoli being trained and then denied it to the Board. What kind of nut do you deputies have for a sheriff?
 

How does the moderator know who these people are? The moderator once posted that he knew I was from Kelseyville. How do you know that? I do not think this is anon as led to believe. If this disabled person you spoke of can file for hours straight, why don't they have a regular paying job doing this? In order to be found disabled by Soc Security you have to prove that you are unable to do any job, not just the one you are trained to do.
 

11:43, I'd rather be fat then a twit.
 

Listen post 1:05 who says this person doesn't have a job full time. How or why would you draw that conclusion? Oh disabled people can't work is that it? You must remember sometimes where people are from and what their MO is can be quite easily figured out based on postings and what people say. I am sure if you looked back at your post or conversations you would know how we figure certain things out. If you were following the posts in the past you would see of the SO gave up who he was based on how he posted his knowledge of the lawyer having the conversation with Judge Martin.
 

I knew that some site I used to visit the Moderator had only visable to them the person internet provider and some actually had the ability to see the person whole internet name,if someone wants to see which it is if in factthis site isunknowing who the posters are, use the MAKE A FORUM and see, come back and let us know...PERSONALLY I DON'T CARE IF THEY KNOW IT IS ME
ED ALBEA
 

Hey Macedo, I think this guy just called you fat.
 

good idea Ed, thanks
 

I never have had a problem My words are straight shooting with No BS...sorry Moderator take this off after it gets read

the name calling is outrageous take that off too please not deserved
 

I didnt post the 1:42 just requested it being taken off Macedo is one of the good ones weight is not a factor on character
 

How can he be one of the good ones where weight is not a factor, he is the one calling the attorney a twit, and was totally rude to the posters during that time, fat may not mean bad character but in this case it isn't a good reporting on his part.
 

Yes do all the checking you may want to in any manner you want to check you will find there is no way of knowing who via these comments anyone knows who you are. It is as we have stated many many times anonymous. Hope that clears that up for everyone again.
 

Free Speech comes with responsibility I am not prevvy to what he said or didn't say, I have called people a Twit before...BECAUSE THEY WERE....and maybe I should watch it cause I have packed on a few pounds this week.

Chris did You really call a person a Twit? see when thing get removed then get referred to later, others have no idea.....somethings need left up
 

Yes you should watch your weight, as you may get mistaken for Chris, and in fact his postings are left up and you can go back into the thread and find them if you wish. We are quite selective in the interest of free speech in what posts may or may not have to be taken down. What the crux of the whole thread on this aspect of things is that Mercado outed his own self via the sketchy information he gave in a post, then an individual from the inside went to work for us and figured out who it was and passed the information on to us. and there you have it.
 

From: Rodney Mitchell
Monday - June 22, 2009 4:55 PM
To: All SO users (everyone)
Subject: Mandatory Reading re: Logistics Section
Ladies and gentlemen,
Effective today, (June 22, 2009) and until further notice, Captain Russ Perdock will be on approved leave. Captain Crystal Esberg will assume command of the department's Logistic's Section in Captain Perdock's absence. Any messages or other inquiries taken by reception or dispatch concerning Captain Perdock and the business of the department shall be referred to me.
Be careful.
Rodney K. Mitchell
Sheriff/Coroner/OES Director
County of Lake, CA
 

Perdock's attorney,
Alison Wilkinson of San Rafael, writes, "On or around June 16, 2009,
Russell Perdock, a Captain with the Lake County Sheriff's Department,
went on approved leave status after visiting a medical professional who
indicated that he had a medical condition that required an absence from
employment for 45 days."
 

We must concentrate on just the facts that shows Mitchell to be out of control. So many questions about the Dinius case such as Perdock's involvement than accessing the report without approval, Morshed's testimony about the PAS units and Mitchell not stepping in and immediately turning the case over to Napa or Sonoma.

On the racism charge; what was the results of the EEOC nvestigation? Either Rivero and Lande are not correct or Ward and Chacowski are liers. AND as of this date I have not heard anyone deny that a sergeant called Rivero a racial name. Wither Rivero was offended or not, the sergeant should have never said that. Would it be ok for a white sergeant to call a black deputy a Niger even if the deputy was not offended? I think not!

On Garzoli; Is demoted to sergeant. Even if he did this voluntarily, it would show that the helicopter incident was NOT authorized. Mitchell first stated he knew about Garzoli's pilot and then said he did not. When Mitchell was asked if the pilot training was something the sheriff's office is thinking about, why answer "not that way".

Think of facts, not Frace is a looser, Macedo is fat or Ringen is an ass. Mitchell is the problem and needs to go.